Chiefs Chiefs fans who want less of Alex Smith may get their wish after 2016

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 10:57 AM

http://www.scout.com/nfl/chiefs/stor...pot-with-smith

SEAN KEELER
Yesterday at 7:14 PM
Kansas City faithful want a divorce from their struggling signal-caller. But that signal-caller has a contract that doesn’t get (ahem) ‘team-friendly’ until AFTER next fall.

Look we get it, we get it: You want a divorce. Now. Yesterday, if possible.
You saw the wounded duck that left Alex Smith’s arm in the Twin Cities during a fourth-quarter comeback that fell short. And speaking of falling short, there was No. 11’s next offering. Mercy.
It may not seem conceivable, cruel even, for Kansas City Chiefs fans to get hammered with any more undesirable news at the moment. Not after 1-5 and a campaign that looks completely off the rails. Not after a freak injury ended Jamaal Charles’ season before he could try and save it. Not after Jeremy Maclin, the club’s only front-line veteran wide receiver, stuck in limbo as he recovers from a concussion.
Well, here’s some gruel to go with the cruel, baby: $7.1 million.
As in, that’s the cap hit the Chiefs would take by cutting Smith in 2016.
At least according to the fun little calculator provided by the folks over at OverTheCap.com, who list the dead money owed to the Chiefs’ quarterback at staggering $24.9 million as of next year. (Current dead money: an even more staggering $40.4 million.)
“Dead money,” in layman’s terms, is money from a player’s contract that continues to count against a team’s salary cap after said player is no longer on the roster. It’s not just a barometer of a particular team’s investment — it’s a benchmark of just how hard it could be to excise that player (and contract) immediately from the program.
The Chiefs have three players who are projected to account for more than $10 million in dead money in 2016, if cut: Smith, outside linebacker Justin Houston ($16.4 million) and wideout Jeremy Maclin ($19.35 million). In a salary-cap universe, long-term, big-money investments are precious. And, for better or worse, those are the three horses general manager John Dorsey has hitched his wagon to for at least the next 15 months. A June 1 cut of the Chiefs’ signal-caller would actually add $100,000 to the 2016 cap but still would leave $17.7 million in dead money.
To put it another way: In the short term, you’re stuck with him, kids.
So, yes, you could draft his replacement next spring. But instead of the wanderlust for, say, current Cal quarterback Jared Goff — a tall, smart California kid (not unlike Smith) whose college stats aren’t exactly hurt by playing in a Mike Leach-style passing system — maybe the Chiefs should invest a first round pick next spring by upgrading the toys Smith is going to be able to play with. Such as, say, left tackle. Or a valid No. 2 receiver. Or insurance/cover for either Charles or tight end Travis Kelce.
If the first six weeks have proven anything, it’s that No. 11 needs the help. And that the shopping list has rarely been longer.

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 10:58 AM

If the chiefs draft another LT in the 1st round CP is gonna lost is $hit

Halfcan · 10-23-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

If the chiefs draft another LT in the 1st round CP is gonna lost is $hit

How True!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-23-2015, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

If the chiefs draft another LT in the 1st round CP is gonna lost is $hit

I'll lose nothing. The Chiefs are nothing and have been nothing for years. Telling this team to go **** itself for eternity is BEYOND an easy feat.

This is the last chance.

**Baby Lee** · 10-23-2015, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

I'll lose nothing. The Chiefs are nothing and have been nothing for years. Telling this team to go **** itself for eternity is BEYOND an easy feat.

This is the last chance.

You tease.

Now I don't know where to root.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-23-2015, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You tease.

Now I don't know where to root.

Oh I'll be here, just not as a fan.

It will be even worse.

**Baby Lee** · 10-23-2015, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Oh I'll be here, just not as a fan.

It will be even worse.

So, the same as now.

splatbass · 10-24-2015, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

If the chiefs draft another LT in the 1st round CP is gonna lost is $hit

No matter what happens CP is gonna lose its shit. Are you new here?

DJ's left nut · 10-23-2015, 11:02 AM

No.

He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them.

He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury.

He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career.

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No.

He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them.

He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury.

He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career.

He use to look like a real QB

Him and Reid should have never met.

**Baby Lee** · 10-23-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No.

He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them.

He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury.

He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career.

Fitzpatrick is 4-1. If this team were 5-1 or 4-2 at this point, we'd be just fine.

Team game.

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Fitzpatrick is 4-1. If this team were 5-1 or 4-2 at this point, we'd be just fine.

Team game.

This Alex smith has been playing like trash But even if Fitz was on our team our record would not be much better Jets defense is for real.

**Baby Lee** · 10-23-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

This Alex smith has been playing like trash But even if Fitz was on our team our record would not be much better Jets defense is for real.

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

Our Defense needs

1.Another LB if ford is a Bust Tamba is done
2.More CB depth if Smith leaves
3.Another DT to take some of the snaps for Poe

I really want to know why Dee Ford is not getting some snaps Chiefs need to see if we have to draft another LB next year.

**RealSNR** · 10-23-2015, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?

With a better scheme and defensive coordinator, yes I do. Facing a pedestrian offense led by Sean ****ing King? 10 points? With this defensive line as the core? No problem.

We need some adjustments at LB. DJ and Hali are washed up and the other LB spot is... well... it exists, I guess. But Marcus Peters just needs some time to develop as a pro, and we've pretty much nailed the secondary.

If we hired Wade Phillips this offseason, our defense wouldn't be giving up 30 points per game, I can guarantee that.

90% of the mistakes being made on offense are because Alex does something wrong. The plays aren't very good to begin with, but we won 11 and 9 games the last two seasons with an inferior cast of receiving options and that same ****ing playbook.

Just look at Alex. Use the eye test. He's not efficient like he was those past two seasons. He's waaay more jittery. More indecisive. Doesn't run around as much.

He's done. Stick a fork in him. This season of his reminds me of when Jake Delhomme was cruising along doing his game manager thing, and even had a very successful 2009 season. Then 2010 hit and he just CRASHED. ****ing bottomed out. That was it. He couldn't do ANYTHING right. He was totally done.

That's Alex's season right here. You can tell. He's done as an NFL pro. Next stop is backing up Johnny Football in Cleveland. He's got ****ing NOTHING left.

10-23-2015, 10:57 AM	Topic Starter
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5828993	Chiefs fans who want less of Alex Smith may get their wish after 2016 http://www.scout.com/nfl/chiefs/stor...pot-with-smith SEAN KEELER Yesterday at 7:14 PM Kansas City faithful want a divorce from their struggling signal-caller. But that signal-caller has a contract that doesn’t get (ahem) ‘team-friendly’ until AFTER next fall. Look we get it, we get it: You want a divorce. Now. Yesterday, if possible. You saw the wounded duck that left Alex Smith’s arm in the Twin Cities during a fourth-quarter comeback that fell short. And speaking of falling short, there was No. 11’s next offering. Mercy. It may not seem conceivable, cruel even, for Kansas City Chiefs fans to get hammered with any more undesirable news at the moment. Not after 1-5 and a campaign that looks completely off the rails. Not after a freak injury ended Jamaal Charles’ season before he could try and save it. Not after Jeremy Maclin, the club’s only front-line veteran wide receiver, stuck in limbo as he recovers from a concussion. Well, here’s some gruel to go with the cruel, baby: $7.1 million. As in, that’s the cap hit the Chiefs would take by cutting Smith in 2016. At least according to the fun little calculator provided by the folks over at OverTheCap.com, who list the dead money owed to the Chiefs’ quarterback at staggering $24.9 million as of next year. (Current dead money: an even more staggering $40.4 million.) “Dead money,” in layman’s terms, is money from a player’s contract that continues to count against a team’s salary cap after said player is no longer on the roster. It’s not just a barometer of a particular team’s investment — it’s a benchmark of just how hard it could be to excise that player (and contract) immediately from the program. The Chiefs have three players who are projected to account for more than $10 million in dead money in 2016, if cut: Smith, outside linebacker Justin Houston ($16.4 million) and wideout Jeremy Maclin ($19.35 million). In a salary-cap universe, long-term, big-money investments are precious. And, for better or worse, those are the three horses general manager John Dorsey has hitched his wagon to for at least the next 15 months. A June 1 cut of the Chiefs’ signal-caller would actually add $100,000 to the 2016 cap but still would leave $17.7 million in dead money. To put it another way: In the short term, you’re stuck with him, kids. So, yes, you could draft his replacement next spring. But instead of the wanderlust for, say, current Cal quarterback Jared Goff — a tall, smart California kid (not unlike Smith) whose college stats aren’t exactly hurt by playing in a Mike Leach-style passing system — maybe the Chiefs should invest a first round pick next spring by upgrading the toys Smith is going to be able to play with. Such as, say, left tackle. Or a valid No. 2 receiver. Or insurance/cover for either Charles or tight end Travis Kelce. If the first six weeks have proven anything, it’s that No. 11 needs the help. And that the shopping list has rarely been longer.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-820901	No. He gets no more toys. He has plenty of them. He's just not good enough and there's never been better evidence of it than the 2nd to last throw of the game against Minnesota - Wilson was open. The play was there and Smith had the space to make it - he just didn't have anywhere close to the arm strength. Doing it again (on a slightly tougher throw) to end the game was just insult to injury. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick. He may not even be that. There isn't any amount of upgrades that will make him a passable NFL quarterback. He's broken mentally while physically he's incapable of covering mental errors through raw tools. He's a backup QB at this point in his career. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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