Chiefs Let's talk about Harris's catch.

**BigRedChief** · 10-16-2017, 08:47 AM

We have visual evidence he had control of the ball with two feet down.

If someone leans forward and puts the ball across the goal line, then gets it batted away by the defense before he's down, its still a TD.

Reid says he didn't think it was a catch, so he didn't challenge. Why not challenge anyway. Sometimes you get the call when you didn't think you had a chance.

The only way I can see thats not a catch is that stupid rule of controlling the ball when going to the ground.

I havent heard from anyone who knows the rules inside and out. Was this a case of not controlling the ball when going to the ground?

Hammock Parties · 10-16-2017, 08:49 AM

Looks to me like as he gets his second foot down he loses control.

ThaVirus · 10-16-2017, 10:00 AM

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Looks to me like as he gets his second foot down he loses control.

Oh, man. Honestly, I still think that's a TD.

As soon as that ball hits his hands, he has CONTROL of it. At that point, he just has to establish POSSESSION by getting both feet down, which he does when that right foot taps the ground. He clearly maintains possession throughout that catch.

The DB rips it out after what should have already been called a TD.

Amnorix · 10-16-2017, 11:42 AM

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Oh, man. Honestly, I still think that's a TD.

As soon as that ball hits his hands, he has CONTROL of it. At that point, he just has to establish POSSESSION by getting both feet down, which he does when that right foot taps the ground. He clearly maintains possession throughout that catch.

The DB rips it out after what should have already been called a TD.

That's not the rule.

Let me change the situation -- let's say that play happened at the five yard line, and in the immediate aftermath of when you say the play is complete, the defender rips the ball out, which squirts away and another Steeler picks it up. Under your rules, that would be a fumble.

You ok with that?

Valiant · 10-16-2017, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Looks to me like as he gets his second foot down he loses control.

Looks like by the time he gets his foot down possession is 50 50. Not complete control. Then lost it.

**Rain Man** · 10-16-2017, 08:51 PM

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Looks like by the time he gets his foot down possession is 50 50. Not complete control. Then lost it.

But by rule, a tie goes to the offensive player.

Chiefshrink · 10-17-2017, 06:55 PM

Yes, let's talk about a basketball player getting his lunch taken by a football player. That is the real issue here.

kevonm · 10-17-2017, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Looks like by the time he gets his foot down possession is 50 50. Not complete control. Then lost it.

This is not true. Their hands are intertwined but the DB does not make a play on the ball untill well after both feet are down

BlackOp · 10-17-2017, 10:00 AM

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This is not true. Their hands are intertwined but the DB does not make a play on the ball untill well after both feet are down

That's a good point...hard to tell if #28's hip prevented him from dropping it though. It looks like his had was slipping off the ball at the very last second.

I dont think they would have overturned it....

Valiant · 10-17-2017, 11:54 AM

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This is not true. Their hands are intertwined but the DB does not make a play on the ball untill well after both feet are down

If he would of came away with the ball sure. But the defender stopped him from having complete control of the ball before the 2nd foot. Then he lost it. No way was it a catch.
I wish it were.

Our guys for the most part are soft.

kevonm · 10-17-2017, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

If he would of came away with the ball sure. But the defender stopped him from having complete control of the ball before the 2nd foot. Then he lost it. No way was it a catch.
I wish it were.

Our guys for the most part are soft.

Disagree. He had two hands firmly on the ball, and was the only one touching the ball until he has two feet down. I can totally understand people saying this is not a catch under NFL rules, and having control with two feet down doesn't mean it's a catch, just saying he had control with two feet down.

kevonm · 10-16-2017, 08:50 AM

And my question is, if he didn't continue the entire catch process, how long is long enough? Does he need to hang on for another full second, does he need to complete the wrestling match with the defender? Can the ball be knocked out of his hands at any point until the whistle is arbitrarily blown? Even if we say this is definitely not a catch, how late can the ball be knocked out and it be a catch?

Sandy Vagina · 10-16-2017, 08:50 AM

He took 3 steps before the ball came free, but I wouldn't expect these refs to give KC a call like that. So, was no surprise, and par for the course of a terrible football afternoon.

kcpasco · 10-16-2017, 08:53 AM

Kind of reminded of that Packers Seahawks MNF game a few years ago with the replacement refs. They called it a TD after the Packers guy intercepted it because he ripped it away.

That was a BS call and this should have been a TD.

**petegz28** · 10-16-2017, 08:53 AM

Reid should have challenged it...period. Win or lose, you have to throw the red flag there.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-831038 VARSITY	Let's talk about Harris's catch. We have visual evidence he had control of the ball with two feet down. If someone leans forward and puts the ball across the goal line, then gets it batted away by the defense before he's down, its still a TD. Reid says he didn't think it was a catch, so he didn't challenge. Why not challenge anyway. Sometimes you get the call when you didn't think you had a chance. The only way I can see thats not a catch is that stupid rule of controlling the ball when going to the ground. I havent heard from anyone who knows the rules inside and out. Was this a case of not controlling the ball when going to the ground?
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $760478	Looks to me like as he gets his second foot down he loses control. __________________ Chiefs game films
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kevonm Starter Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $10000770	And my question is, if he didn't continue the entire catch process, how long is long enough? Does he need to hang on for another full second, does he need to complete the wrestling match with the defender? Can the ball be knocked out of his hands at any point until the whistle is arbitrarily blown? Even if we say this is definitely not a catch, how late can the ball be knocked out and it be a catch?
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kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $6143463	Kind of reminded of that Packers Seahawks MNF game a few years ago with the replacement refs. They called it a TD after the Packers guy intercepted it because he ripped it away. That was a BS call and this should have been a TD.
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petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1145873	Reid should have challenged it...period. Win or lose, you have to throw the red flag there.
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