Chiefs Let's talk about Harris's catch. - Page 10

**BigRedChief** · 10-16-2017, 08:47 AM

We have visual evidence he had control of the ball with two feet down.

If someone leans forward and puts the ball across the goal line, then gets it batted away by the defense before he's down, its still a TD.

Reid says he didn't think it was a catch, so he didn't challenge. Why not challenge anyway. Sometimes you get the call when you didn't think you had a chance.

The only way I can see thats not a catch is that stupid rule of controlling the ball when going to the ground.

I havent heard from anyone who knows the rules inside and out. Was this a case of not controlling the ball when going to the ground?

**Buehler445** · 10-16-2017, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He didn't control it all the way thru.

Control and 2 feet down on a catch in the emdzone don't automatically make it a catch in today's nfl

This. Even though a running back can fumble it whenever he wants. Just as long as it crosses the line. Pretty ridiculous.

KChiefs1 · 10-16-2017, 08:18 PM

I don't know what's a catch anymore.

Hydrae · 10-16-2017, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I don't know what's a catch anymore.

It is clear from this thread that no one really does, myself included.

Valiant · 10-16-2017, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Looks to me like as he gets his second foot down he loses control.

Looks like by the time he gets his foot down possession is 50 50. Not complete control. Then lost it.

**Rain Man** · 10-16-2017, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Looks like by the time he gets his foot down possession is 50 50. Not complete control. Then lost it.

But by rule, a tie goes to the offensive player.

**BigRedChief** · 10-16-2017, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

I saw a play where he was running his route like he still had a concussion.

He had no fire yesterday.

they should have held him out till the Raiders game.

kevonm · 10-17-2017, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Looks like by the time he gets his foot down possession is 50 50. Not complete control. Then lost it.

This is not true. Their hands are intertwined but the DB does not make a play on the ball untill well after both feet are down

BlackOp · 10-17-2017, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kevonm

This is not true. Their hands are intertwined but the DB does not make a play on the ball untill well after both feet are down

That's a good point...hard to tell if #28's hip prevented him from dropping it though. It looks like his had was slipping off the ball at the very last second.

I dont think they would have overturned it....

Beef Supreme · 10-17-2017, 10:18 AM

NFL rules have jumped the ****ing shark. Most of the time a receiver can body slam a defender and the defender will get called for interference, but for some reason they have turned "completing the catch" into some vague wasteland of referee interpretation.

And then they overturn the JETS touchdown ...

The outcome of games is determined by judgement calls far too often, and I'm convinced the NFL has done this on purpose.

Valiant · 10-17-2017, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kevonm

This is not true. Their hands are intertwined but the DB does not make a play on the ball untill well after both feet are down

If he would of came away with the ball sure. But the defender stopped him from having complete control of the ball before the 2nd foot. Then he lost it. No way was it a catch.
I wish it were.

Our guys for the most part are soft.

kevonm · 10-17-2017, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

If he would of came away with the ball sure. But the defender stopped him from having complete control of the ball before the 2nd foot. Then he lost it. No way was it a catch.
I wish it were.

Our guys for the most part are soft.

Disagree. He had two hands firmly on the ball, and was the only one touching the ball until he has two feet down. I can totally understand people saying this is not a catch under NFL rules, and having control with two feet down doesn't mean it's a catch, just saying he had control with two feet down.

**fan4ever** · 10-17-2017, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kevonm

Disagree. He had two hands firmly on the ball, and was the only one touching the ball until he has two feet down. I can totally understand people saying this is not a catch under NFL rules, and having control with two feet down doesn't mean it's a catch, just saying he had control with two feet down.

Agreed...his elbow isn't competing for the ball, it's trying to knock the ball out of his hands which doesn't happen until well after possession.

jaa1025 · 10-17-2017, 04:21 PM

All he had to do was fall forward towards the ball and he would have maintained possession. I think it's 50/50 if Andy challenges.

T-post Tom · 10-17-2017, 04:46 PM

Harris looks like a basketball player playing football.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 10-17-2017, 06:40 PM

I can't gif this, but look at the second video in this link with the different angle.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...179037141.html

10-16-2017, 08:47 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-851038 VARSITY	Let's talk about Harris's catch. We have visual evidence he had control of the ball with two feet down. If someone leans forward and puts the ball across the goal line, then gets it batted away by the defense before he's down, its still a TD. Reid says he didn't think it was a catch, so he didn't challenge. Why not challenge anyway. Sometimes you get the call when you didn't think you had a chance. The only way I can see thats not a catch is that stupid rule of controlling the ball when going to the ground. I havent heard from anyone who knows the rules inside and out. Was this a case of not controlling the ball when going to the ground?
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Beef Supreme MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $10019560	NFL rules have jumped the ****ing shark. Most of the time a receiver can body slam a defender and the defender will get called for interference, but for some reason they have turned "completing the catch" into some vague wasteland of referee interpretation. And then they overturn the JETS touchdown ... The outcome of games is determined by judgement calls far too often, and I'm convinced the NFL has done this on purpose.
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IowaHawkeyeChief In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2016 Casino cash: $-1009600	I can't gif this, but look at the second video in this link with the different angle. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...179037141.html __________________ Chiefs are my favorite football team of all time!
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