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Old 11-19-2017, 05:45 PM   Topic Starter
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This loss shows deeper problems than a few players
The way that we lost this game speaks to more than just a couple of players or plays.
This loss speaks to problems deep within. I think we have severe problems within our coaching staff if not further up than that.
We are spiraling down and it appears to be untenable to the staff we have in place even with the help of a bye week.
I have always been a Reid fan, but a lot of the problems he had in Philly have followed him to KC. His play calling, inadequate game prep, stubbornness, strategy, clock management. His inability to make coaching changes and bring his family in and unwillingness to move on from them when they are obviously not working are problems that we all now face as well. There is a lot of parallels between our staff here and the ones he had in Philly.
If we are to change our losing ways some of this staff is going to have to be replaced. Where do start? Who are the coaches/assistants that need to be replaced? Even now instead of waiting until the off season.



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Old 11-19-2017, 05:58 PM   #2
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The Raiders are getting spanked by New England. The Chargers always beat themselves. The Broncos have no QB. This division can can be won by the Chiefs. They have issues but can still adjust. They are in a good position.
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Old 11-19-2017, 06:05 PM   #3
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The Raiders are getting spanked by New England. The Chargers always beat themselves. The Broncos have no QB. This division can can be won by the Chiefs. They have issues but can still adjust. They are in a good position.
I love your confidence. Maybe you can send some good vibes out to the so called fans. Chiefs will turn it around.
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Old 11-19-2017, 06:08 PM   #4
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The Raiders are getting spanked by New England. The Chargers always beat themselves. The Broncos have no QB. This division can can be won by the Chiefs. They have issues but can still adjust. They are in a good position.
Who gives a shit about a pointless division win?
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Old 11-19-2017, 06:19 PM   #5
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Who gives a shit about a pointless division win?
While this is obviously true, we’re not in real danger of losing the division beyond 2017 also. If Mahomes can give us what we think he can, we get Berry back, and we can use the worthless cap space we have in our old vets on younger players at positions of need we can easily keep control of the division.

2017 is done. No need to panic beyond that yet though IMO.
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Old 11-19-2017, 06:20 PM   #6
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Who gives a shit about a pointless division win?
That's the issue with these true fans. Chiefs will win the awful division, lose in typical fashion in the playoffs and then true fans will say "they made the playoffs, that's a good season"
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Old 11-19-2017, 06:24 PM   #7
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Old 11-19-2017, 06:58 PM   #8
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That's the issue with these true fans. Chiefs will win the awful division, lose in typical fashion in the playoffs and then true fans will say "they made the playoffs, that's a good season"
We got our ticket to the dance / any given sunday / player or two away / change a play here and there
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:26 AM   #9
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That's the issue with these true fans. Chiefs will win the awful division, lose in typical fashion in the playoffs and then true fans will say "they made the playoffs, that's a good season"
Us long time fans of 40-50 years have lowered the bar so far for this organization that making the playoffs and winning a single game or finally drafting a QB in 1st RD after 27 years feels like a Super Bowl to us.

So sad........
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The Raiders are getting spanked by New England. The Chargers always beat themselves. The Broncos have no QB. This division can can be won by the Chiefs. They have issues but can still adjust. They are in a good position.
So what? Yes, the whole division is dogshit. We could finish 8-8 and still win the division, host a playoff game, and essentially be a bye-week for the No. 5 seed.

The season is over. This team is lost.
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The Raiders are getting spanked by New England. The Chargers always beat themselves. The Broncos have no QB. This division can can be won by the Chiefs. They have issues but can still adjust. They are in a good position.
What difference does it make if they win the division by being the best of a bad lot? This team has no prayer of winning a playoff game playing like this.

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I'd tend to disagree. It's more of a combination of roster/draft decisions and injuries. Dorsey and Reid built a roster of average players with a few stars mixed in, a number of people have been/are/will be out, and neither line is anything above average.

I said this when they were on their win streak: the Chiefs are an average team. At full strength on given week they can win or lose to anybody. And they ain't at full strength.

The Giants were also playing for pride today. I don't think that can be underestimated.

In no way do these comments mean I like or support the actions or philosophy of the coaching staff. I'm just saying I don't think today's loss was preparation or coaching. Nor any of the others, nor the win streak. I think they're mutually exclusive problems. I think this franchise is going to be stuck in this mediocre 8-11 win quagmire with no potential for meaningful success as long as Andy Schottenheimer is running the show. But I don't think all of today's or recent losses' issues are coaching. I think it goes deeper.

This is just the 90's again. We'll compete for or win the division annually, sometimes despite ourselves, then get dumped in January by actual playoff quality teams.
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I'd tend to disagree. It's more of a combination of roster/draft decisions and injuries. Dorsey and Reid built a roster of average players with a few stars mixed in, a number of people have been/are/will be out, and neither line is anything above average.

I said this when they were on their win streak: the Chiefs are an average team. At full strength on given week they can win or lose to anybody. And they ain't at full strength.

The Giants were also playing for pride today. I don't think that can be underestimated.

In no way do these comments mean I like or support the actions or philosophy of the coaching staff. I'm just saying I don't think today's loss was preparation or coaching. Nor any of the others, nor the win streak. I think they're mutually exclusive problems. I think this franchise is going to be stuck in this mediocre 8-11 win quagmire with no potential for meaningful success as long as Andy Schottenheimer is running the show. But I don't think all of today's or recent losses' issues are coaching. I think it goes deeper.

This is just the 90's again. We'll compete for or win the division annually, sometimes despite ourselves, then get dumped in January by actual playoff quality teams.
You call him Andy Schottenheimer which says to me that you do think that there is a coaching problem. You also mention it goes deeper. I would like to hear what you mean by deeper.
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Keep Toub. Everybody else can go. That goes double for the D coaches.
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Keep Toub. Everybody else can go. That goes double for the D coaches.
No, no, and hell no. Toub needs to go. His special teams are worthless. Too many penalties and dumb mistakes. I'm tired of seeing his KO Return team routinely run the ball 10-12 yards then getting stopped before the 25 yard line.
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