This loss shows deeper problems than a few players

[keg in kc]

I'd tend to disagree. It's more of a combination of roster/draft decisions and injuries. Dorsey and Reid built a roster of average players with a few stars mixed in, a number of people have been/are/will be out, and neither line is anything above average.

I said this when they were on their win streak: the Chiefs are an average team. At full strength on given week they can win or lose to anybody. And they ain't at full strength.

The Giants were also playing for pride today. I don't think that can be underestimated.

In no way do these comments mean I like or support the actions or philosophy of the coaching staff. I'm just saying I don't think today's loss was preparation or coaching. Nor any of the others, nor the win streak. I think they're mutually exclusive problems. I think this franchise is going to be stuck in this mediocre 8-11 win quagmire with no potential for meaningful success as long as Andy Schottenheimer is running the show. But I don't think all of today's or recent losses' issues are coaching. I think it goes deeper.

This is just the 90's again. We'll compete for or win the division annually, sometimes despite ourselves, then get dumped in January by actual playoff quality teams.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'd tend to disagree. It's more of a combination of roster/draft decisions and injuries. Dorsey and Reid built a roster of average players with a few stars mixed in, a number of people have been/are/will be out, and neither line is anything above average.

I said this when they were on their win streak: the Chiefs are an average team. At full strength on given week they can win or lose to anybody. And they ain't at full strength.

The Giants were also playing for pride today. I don't think that can be underestimated.

In no way do these comments mean I like or support the actions or philosophy of the coaching staff. I'm just saying I don't think today's loss was preparation or coaching. Nor any of the others, nor the win streak. I think they're mutually exclusive problems. I think this franchise is going to be stuck in this mediocre 8-11 win quagmire with no potential for meaningful success as long as Andy Schottenheimer is running the show. But I don't think all of today's or recent losses' issues are coaching. I think it goes deeper.

This is just the 90's again. We'll compete for or win the division annually, sometimes despite ourselves, then get dumped in January by actual playoff quality teams.

You call him Andy Schottenheimer which says to me that you do think that there is a coaching problem. You also mention it goes deeper. I would like to hear what you mean by deeper.

[GloucesterChief]

Keep Toub. Everybody else can go. That goes double for the D coaches.

[KCCHIEFS27]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Keep Toub. Everybody else can go. That goes double for the D coaches.

No, no, and hell no. Toub needs to go. His special teams are worthless. Too many penalties and dumb mistakes. I'm tired of seeing his KO Return team routinely run the ball 10-12 yards then getting stopped before the 25 yard line.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Keep Toub. Everybody else can go. That goes double for the D coaches.

Toub can walk as well. STs have sucked this season. Flag after flag after flag.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Toub can walk as well. STs have sucked this season. Flag after flag after flag.

Toub was too busy building HC resumes to worry about preparing his ST unit

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

You call him Andy Schottenheimer which says to me that you do think that there is a coaching problem. You also mention it goes deeper. I would like to hear what you mean by deeper.

Have we met? Me calling him Schottenheimer clearly indicates I believe there's a coaching problem. Marty was the worst. I've been saying that on this board for, what, 16 years now?

By deeper I mean personnel problems. You know, like I talked about in the post you quoted.

Anyway, I'm out. Up for work in 6 hours.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Have we met? Me calling him Schottenheimer clearly indicates I believe there's a coaching problem. Marty was the worst. I've been saying that on this board for, what, 16 years now?

By deeper I mean personnel problems. You know, like I talked about in the post you quoted.

Anyway, I'm out. Up for work in 6 hours.

Well when you start out your original post with "I tend to disagree" that meant that you didn't agree with my post that coaching was the problem. So that is why I didn't understand. Personnel, players, is more superficial than deeper problems

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'd tend to disagree. It's more of a combination of roster/draft decisions and injuries. Dorsey and Reid built a roster of average players with a few stars mixed in, a number of people have been/are/will be out, and neither line is anything above average.

I said this when they were on their win streak: the Chiefs are an average team. At full strength on given week they can win or lose to anybody. And they ain't at full strength.

The Giants were also playing for pride today. I don't think that can be underestimated.

In no way do these comments mean I like or support the actions or philosophy of the coaching staff. I'm just saying I don't think today's loss was preparation or coaching. Nor any of the others, nor the win streak. I think they're mutually exclusive problems. I think this franchise is going to be stuck in this mediocre 8-11 win quagmire with no potential for meaningful success as long as Andy Schottenheimer is running the show. But I don't think all of today's or recent losses' issues are coaching. I think it goes deeper.

This is just the 90's again. We'll compete for or win the division annually, sometimes despite ourselves, then get dumped in January by actual playoff quality teams.

Well said! And I have said all along we lack talent in too many areas and we are just not the physical football team we used to be because we lack talent especially in the trenches. But at least in the 90s we had a pretty good defense we don’t have that even now.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Well said! And I have said all along we lack talent in too many areas and we are just not the physical football team we used to be because we lack talent especially in the trenches. But at least in the 90s we had a pretty good defense we don’t have that even now.

All teams lack talent in places. Yet they are able to out perform what we have been able to put out there. Coaches, good coaches find ways to mask those deficiencies. Something that we have not been able to do very well especially over the last 5 weeks.

[Best22]

The only reason I'm really rooting to win the division is so that our collapse isn't 100% embarrassing.

Also, I don't want Oakland or LAC to win anything or see any success at our expense.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

All teams lack talent in places. Yet they are able to out perform what we have been able to put out there. Coaches, good coaches find ways to mask those deficiencies. Something that we have not been able to do very well especially over the last 5 weeks.

The coaches can’t play the game for the players. You and I will disagree as to whether this team has too much chicken manure to turn into chicken salad. You’re saying it’s the coaches fault they can’t make more chicken salad and I’m saying there’s too much chicken manure to do that.