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Old 11-05-2018, 08:55 AM   Topic Starter
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Yesterday, I watched three NFL football games, a rare day in which I was free enough to do so.

The games I watched were Mahomes carving up the Browns defense, Brees carving up the Rams defense, Goff carving up the Saints defense, Rodgers carving up the Patriots defense, and Brady carving up the Packers defense.

Their stats vary and to say that they could do literally anything they wanted on offense would be an understatement, but after watching football for the day, I gotta say, I miss defense.

That's not to cast aspersions on Chiefs football in 2018, which is as good as its ever been, but I've played team sports my entire life, and I've always played defense. Soccer, basketball, football, baseball/softball... I've always prided myself on defense.

I come from the franchise of Derrick Thomas, too. I love a passrusher bending the edge, and press coverage on the outside, and a punishing linebacker smack on a foolish receiver across the middle, a defensive tackle being nigh unmovable in the middle of the defensive line. I love Eric Berry tracking down Gronkowski, Dontari Poe collapsing the A gap, Derrick Johnson jumping the under routes, Tamba Hali's jiu jitsu to shed a tackle. With the endless rule changes, I'm afraid that has been taken from us.

Again: I'm not complaining about the Chiefs 2018, but rather the NFL 2018.

I don't know what to do here, folks. Are we just doomed to lose that aspect of the game at this point?
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:58 AM   #2
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I don't know what to do here, folks. Are we just doomed to lose that aspect of the game at this point?
It's a pendulum and eventually it will swing back the other direction.
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:02 AM   #3
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It's a pendulum and eventually it will swing back the other direction.
Na, I don't think so. We're just finally hitting the tipping point with two decades of rule changes that largely favor offense. The era of a truly dominant defense is dead.
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:05 AM   #4
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Na, I don't think so. We're just finally hitting the tipping point with two decades of rule changes that largely favor offense. The era of a truly dominant defense is dead.
Someone will exploit something.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:23 AM   #5
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Na, I don't think so. We're just finally hitting the tipping point with two decades of rule changes that largely favor offense. The era of a truly dominant defense is dead.
That is the thing about the NFL. They hold meetings every year to discuss and implement rule changes to effect the outcome of games.

The NFL adapts, and I think eventually there will be a demand for better defense. With the change of a few rules, it could help bring back a bit of balance to the sport.

But right now, the people like offense... or else they would be off watching soccer.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:35 AM   #6
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But right now, the people like offense... or else they would be off watching soccer.
This is the key right here.

Casual fans and fantasy football players (many of whom are "casual" fans as well in that they're more about their fantasy team than an NFL team) LOVE this brand of football. Defense isn't coming back in this lifetime.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:20 AM   #7
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It's a pendulum and eventually it will swing back the other direction.
Not if the ratings stay up. And frankly, the NFL's liability for long-term injury stuff is lessened by reducing defense as well.

I think the days of winning with 21 points with any regularity are over. 30 is the new 20.

I pretty much count stops these days. If the Chiefs get 4 stops, they'll win. So you root for individual drives rather than sit there and hope for some shutdown effort.

Those just don't exist these days, IMO. They happen on occasions where you just go out and had that team's number on a given day (the Bengals game, for instance), but no matter what kind of defense you put on the field, You can't count on your defense just standing up and winning games for you anymore.

The Ravens and Cowboys are the teams that appear to be trying that old-school approach this year and I don't think anyone's really all that worried about them - for good reason.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:41 AM   #8
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It's a pendulum and eventually it will swing back the other direction.
I don't think it will. The NFL sees that it's boosting ratings. Like the steroid era of the mlb the league will milk every dollar out of this even if it pisses off football purists. You have the basketball execs as well calling for more and more offense. It's just inevitable. Our sports leagues are run by people who'd rather make $ than preserve the game.

I hate that the NFL is turning into this. But like reading a trashy b movie I can't take my eyes off of it.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:42 AM   #9
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I don't think it will. The NFL sees that it's boosting ratings. Like the steroid era of the mlb the league will milk every dollar out of this even if it pisses off football purists. You have the basketball execs as well calling for more and more offense. It's just inevitable. Our sports leagues are run by people who'd rather make $ than preserve the game.

I hate that the NFL is turning into this. But like reading a trashy b movie I can't take my eyes off of it.
Because Mahomes...
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:50 AM   #10
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Well.. Ive enjoyed chiefs games more but I've always watched them even when they were terrible. What's changed for me is how often I enjoy other games. It has made games more exciting even if it doesn't always feel like real football. Parity has improved instead of the same 5 qbs carving up the league. Teams look less sloppy because even average qbs are capable of easily putting up 20. Young qbs are finally starting to create excitement. Much as I hate what the NFL is doing, begrudgingly I admit its made the league a lot more exciting.
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Well.. Ive enjoyed chiefs games more but I've always watched them even when they were terrible. What's changed for me is how often I enjoy other games. It has made games more exciting even if it doesn't always feel like real football. Parity has improved instead of the same 5 qbs carving up the league. Teams look less sloppy because even average qbs are capable of easily putting up 20. Young qbs are finally starting to create excitement. Much as I hate what the NFL is doing, begrudgingly I admit its made the league a lot more exciting.
I'll admit, I've been watching a ton of non-Chiefs football this season.
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It seems to ebb and flow from the run and shoot in the 80's then tough D's being dominate, to today's game. However, it will be really hard to go in the other direction with the rules, not only in the NFL, but in college and high school. Players can't be nearly as aggressive... I miss it too...
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I really don’t want to see receivers hit hard over the middle, as I’d prefer not to lose hill, Watkins, and kelce for a significant amount of time.
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