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Old 11-05-2018, 08:55 AM  
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Yesterday, I watched three NFL football games, a rare day in which I was free enough to do so.

The games I watched were Mahomes carving up the Browns defense, Brees carving up the Rams defense, Goff carving up the Saints defense, Rodgers carving up the Patriots defense, and Brady carving up the Packers defense.

Their stats vary and to say that they could do literally anything they wanted on offense would be an understatement, but after watching football for the day, I gotta say, I miss defense.

That's not to cast aspersions on Chiefs football in 2018, which is as good as its ever been, but I've played team sports my entire life, and I've always played defense. Soccer, basketball, football, baseball/softball... I've always prided myself on defense.

I come from the franchise of Derrick Thomas, too. I love a passrusher bending the edge, and press coverage on the outside, and a punishing linebacker smack on a foolish receiver across the middle, a defensive tackle being nigh unmovable in the middle of the defensive line. I love Eric Berry tracking down Gronkowski, Dontari Poe collapsing the A gap, Derrick Johnson jumping the under routes, Tamba Hali's jiu jitsu to shed a tackle. With the endless rule changes, I'm afraid that has been taken from us.

Again: I'm not complaining about the Chiefs 2018, but rather the NFL 2018.

I don't know what to do here, folks. Are we just doomed to lose that aspect of the game at this point?
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:17 AM   #61
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Is he lined up in the NZ?
I really don't think he is.

Look at how quickly he explodes off the line and look at that little 'set' motion. I'd bet even money that the referee saw the movement, saw how quickly he launched and assume that 'set' motion was forward and thus took him offsides.

It didn't. They blew that call.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:23 AM   #62
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Na, I don't think so. We're just finally hitting the tipping point with two decades of rule changes that largely favor offense. The era of a truly dominant defense is dead.
That is the thing about the NFL. They hold meetings every year to discuss and implement rule changes to effect the outcome of games.

The NFL adapts, and I think eventually there will be a demand for better defense. With the change of a few rules, it could help bring back a bit of balance to the sport.

But right now, the people like offense... or else they would be off watching soccer.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:23 AM   #63
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From NFL Gamepass (Starting at about 51 minutes - not the original play, but when they finally go back and look at the replay):



You can see the flag lying just to the left of the 50 and maybe two yards in bounds - as Ford is making the strip.

Now when was it thrown?

Here's where the side judge was reaching for the flag:



Not quite instantaneous but pretty close.

And here's the side judge nonchalantly flinging it out it almost straight to his right. Is that standard?



From the way the side judge is acting I'd say he got tricked by Ford's amazing first step and jumping on the snap count - and thought Ford jumped. He didn't seem to be completely prepared to throw the flag as soon as the ball was snapped.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:28 AM   #64
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I'd like to see the part from the start of the play. Wheres the actual LOS?
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:33 AM   #65
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Where’s that ****er Hamas that defended this bs just like he always defends the refs?
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:35 AM   #66
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But right now, the people like offense... or else they would be off watching soccer.
This is the key right here.

Casual fans and fantasy football players (many of whom are "casual" fans as well in that they're more about their fantasy team than an NFL team) LOVE this brand of football. Defense isn't coming back in this lifetime.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:41 AM   #67
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It's a pendulum and eventually it will swing back the other direction.
I don't think it will. The NFL sees that it's boosting ratings. Like the steroid era of the mlb the league will milk every dollar out of this even if it pisses off football purists. You have the basketball execs as well calling for more and more offense. It's just inevitable. Our sports leagues are run by people who'd rather make $ than preserve the game.

I hate that the NFL is turning into this. But like reading a trashy b movie I can't take my eyes off of it.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:42 AM   #68
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I'd like to see the part from the start of the play. Wheres the actual LOS?
Here's a microsecond before the snap, before Ford loads up. Assuming all good here:



Here's Ford loading up:



This is literally as close to the actual snap as I can get:



Here's the exact moment the ball was snapped The ball is not quite touching the yard marker - a few inches inside. Doesn't look like Ford jumped or was in the NZ:



However like one frame later Ford's hand is across the line, which I bet is what the side judge keyed on:



I think Ford was so fast it literally fooled him. Bullshit. Keep the flag in your pocket unless it's obvious.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:42 AM   #69
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I don't think it will. The NFL sees that it's boosting ratings. Like the steroid era of the mlb the league will milk every dollar out of this even if it pisses off football purists. You have the basketball execs as well calling for more and more offense. It's just inevitable. Our sports leagues are run by people who'd rather make $ than preserve the game.

I hate that the NFL is turning into this. But like reading a trashy b movie I can't take my eyes off of it.
Because Mahomes...
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The NFL is turning into this because they got sued and ****ed up.
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Here's the exact moment the ball was snapped. Doesn't look like Ford jumped or was in the NZ:



However like one frame later Ford's hand is across the line, which I bet is what the side judge keyed on:



I think Ford was so fast it literally fooled him. Bullshit. Keep the flag in your pocket unless it's obvious.
She's strattling the LOS, IIRC. So he probably is lined up in the NZ
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:44 AM   #72
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She's strattling the LOS, IIRC. So he probably is lined up in the NZ
From the top view though, it's obvious he's not.
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Because Mahomes...
Well.. Ive enjoyed chiefs games more but I've always watched them even when they were terrible. What's changed for me is how often I enjoy other games. It has made games more exciting even if it doesn't always feel like real football. Parity has improved instead of the same 5 qbs carving up the league. Teams look less sloppy because even average qbs are capable of easily putting up 20. Young qbs are finally starting to create excitement. Much as I hate what the NFL is doing, begrudgingly I admit its made the league a lot more exciting.
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Well.. Ive enjoyed chiefs games more but I've always watched them even when they were terrible. What's changed for me is how often I enjoy other games. It has made games more exciting even if it doesn't always feel like real football. Parity has improved instead of the same 5 qbs carving up the league. Teams look less sloppy because even average qbs are capable of easily putting up 20. Young qbs are finally starting to create excitement. Much as I hate what the NFL is doing, begrudgingly I admit its made the league a lot more exciting.
I'll admit, I've been watching a ton of non-Chiefs football this season.
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From the top view though, it's obvious he's not.
If she's standing on the LOS, he's in the neutral zone.
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