The "Inevitability" of Mahomes

[comochiefsfan]

Seems like it's over in a big way after the Super Bowl.

Before February I really can't think of a game we lost because Mahomes failed to come through in the clutch.

It's already happened three times this year. Granted the Baltimore game wasn't directly his fault, but he didn't exactly put the game away when he had the chance either.

The Chargers game he had the ball with a chance to lead the game winning drive and instead threw an interception.

Last night, the defense actually made a couple stops early in the 2nd half to give us a chance to get back in the game. We responded with a pick six (again not his fault) and a backbreaking INT on the goal line that was.

Previously it felt like no deficit was too big, no defense was too good. Mahomes would overcome and make the plays when it mattered.

It hasn't happened this year.

To be clear, I don't think Pat is the problem. But he hasn't been the solution that he always has been in the past.

How he gets back to that, IDK. But the aura and the mystique seems to be fading.

[Hammock Parties]

This league will hunt you down and humble you.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

This board really does overreact to everything. People need to get a grip and just wait to see how it plays out.

All they need to do is find a way to get the defense back to somewhere in the ballpark of last year's and to cut out some of the miscues. These things are doable.

Keep in mind that this was easily the toughest stretch of games they'll play this year. And frankly, they should be 4-1. It sucks to be in this position and no one expected it, but the gloom and doom is a little premature. There are a lot of games ahead.

[jdh81_06]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Seems like it's over in a big way after the Super Bowl.

Before February I really can't think of a game we lost because Mahomes failed to come through in the clutch.

It's already happened three times this year. Granted the Baltimore game wasn't directly his fault, but he didn't exactly put the game away when he had the chance either.

The Chargers game he had the ball with a chance to lead the game winning drive and instead threw an interception.

Last night, the defense actually made a couple stops early in the 2nd half to give us a chance to get back in the game. We responded with a pick six (again not his fault) and a backbreaking INT on the goal line that was.

Previously it felt like no deficit was too big, no defense was too good. Mahomes would overcome and make the plays when it mattered.

It hasn't happened this year.

To be clear, I don't think Pat is the problem. But he hasn't been the solution that he always has been in the past.

How he gets back to that, IDK. But the aura and the mystique seems to be fading.

I couldn’t disagree more. First of all, Pat is going to make mistakes and secondly, his current mistakes are being made because he feels that he has to make something happen because of the dismal performance of his defense. To put it in prospective, we are giving up 7.1 yards per play. The 2000 Rams who many would say was the best offense ever averaged 7 yards per play. We aren’t playing the 2000 Rams so this should tell us the defensive effort is absolutely terrible.

[Prison Bitch]

Jeezus there are a lot of Mahomes threads today

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Jeezus there are a lot of Mahomes threads today

The Uncomfortable Reality that is a fading Patrick Mahomes.

[DaFace]

It's tough to know what's going on, but there's no question he's regressed a bit this year. He's had rough games in past years, but then he always would find a way to pull it together in the end.

Last night, he looked off all night. There were at least a half dozen throws that were there that he either sailed or planted in the dirt.

The D sucks, no doubt. But they DO tend to pull it together for a few drives each game. Normally, we'd expect the offense to take advantage of those. This year, we're just not.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's tough to know what's going on, but there's no question he's regressed a bit this year. He's had rough games in past years, but then he always would find a way to pull it together in the end.

Last night, he looked off all night. There were at least a half dozen throws that were there that he either sailed or planted in the dirt.

The D sucks, no doubt. But they DO tend to pull it together for a few drives each game. Normally, we'd expect the offense to take advantage of those. This year, we're just not.

Yeah, wasn't sure what to think about it... a few times it looked like he was extremely frustrated and basically throwing it away, and a few other times they were just terrible throws.

And then on top of that, the "yeah, it's just not your night" kind of things like the defensive lineman interception, a couple of balls going through Tyreek's hands and of course the pick 6, etc.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You realize how hard it is to win a Superbowl right? Much less multiple as a QB. Brady isn't normal and failed more seasons than he won even with 7 titles and a slew of HGH. Shit people here said he was "done" after he failed a few times after number 3

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

You realize how hard it is to win a Superbowl right? Much less multiple as a QB. Brady isn't normal and failed more seasons than he won even with 7 titles and a slew of HGH. Shit people here said he was "done" after he failed a few times after number 3

I think we've all kind of known that regression was a likely possibility, but Mahomes looked so fantastic for the first few years that we'd hoped we might be able to buck the trend.

As it is, it looks like he's probably on the Rodgers trajectory. Fantastic player. Probably going to the HOF one day. But the leader of a dynasty? Seems highly unlikely (because it always was).

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by DaFace

But the leader of a dynasty? Seems highly unlikely (because it always was).

I do think it's a bit premature to think the dynasty talk is dead after a start like this.

We're coming off three consecutive trips to the AFC championship game. We're still in uncharted waters for anything this franchise has ever accomplished. It's early in the year, let's see if we can course correct. If we do happen to have a 2014 like finish, then it's likely time to consider if this franchise needs restructuring.

[notorious]

Not going to lie, this is feeling Aaron Rodger-esc.

[kcclone]

Originally Posted by notorious

Not going to lie, this is feeling Aaron Rodger-esc.

This is a far more likely scenario than Brady & the Patriots.

Rogers-Packers, or Wilson-Seahawks is far more likely.

That's just the way the NFL is built. You get old fast at most positions, especially defense.

Unless your front office over performs in the draft, it's hard to stay in contention year after year. With Mahomes, we'll be in the playoff hunt most years, but we may not have a Super Bowl caliber squad more than 2-3 more times over the remainder of his career.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think we've all kind of known that regression was a likely possibility, but Mahomes looked so fantastic for the first few years that we'd hoped we might be able to buck the trend.

As it is, it looks like he's probably on the Rodgers trajectory. Fantastic player. Probably going to the HOF one day. But the leader of a dynasty? Seems highly unlikely (because it always was).

Not with this defense...

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think we've all kind of known that regression was a likely possibility, but Mahomes looked so fantastic for the first few years that we'd hoped we might be able to buck the trend.

As it is, it looks like he's probably on the Rodgers trajectory. Fantastic player. Probably going to the HOF one day. But the leader of a dynasty? Seems highly unlikely (because it always was).

This. A lot of the fan base and certainly some of the media started to hype up this idiotic “can Mahomes catch Brady” narrative in regards to SB wins. Winning even one SB is an accomplishment that few achieve. Winning two is incredible. Anything more is next level unreal. Rodgers is probably the most gifted thrower of the ball I’ve ever seen. Unless you think he’s winning another one within the next couple of years (I don’t think so), he’ll finish with one. A few years ago, with the Legion of Doom and all, it was easy to think Wilson would win multiple SB. Now, he looks like the 3rd best QB in his own division.

Like it or not, what Brady has done will not be replicated. Not in our lifetime. It’s DiMaggio hitting streak level of protected.