BJ Ojulari vs Derick Hall

kccrow · 02-14-2023, 09:22 PM

BJ Ojulari (6'3" 244, age 20) or Derick Hall (6'3" 251, age 21)

I prefer Hall but I've seen a few guys on Ojulari. I think it's relatively close.

Ojulari Stats

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Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Solo	Ast	Tot	Loss	Sk	Int	Yds	Avg	TD	PD	FR	Yds	TD	FF
2020	LSU	SEC	FR	LB	8	12	4	16	5.0	4.0	0	0		0	1	1			1
*2021	LSU	SEC	SO	DE	12	31	23	54	12.0	7.0	0	0		0	1	0			0
*2022	LSU	SEC	JR	DE	11	34	24	58	8.5	5.5	0	0		0	0	1	0	0	1

Hall Stats

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Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Solo	Ast	Tot	Loss	Sk	Int	Yds	Avg	TD	PD	FR	Yds	TD	FF
*2019	Auburn	SEC	FR	LB	7	9	4	13	1.5	0.0	0	0		0	0	0			0
*2020	Auburn	SEC	SO	LB	8	16	5	21	4.0	4.0	0	0		0	0	0			1
*2021	Auburn	SEC	JR	LB	13	33	19	52	12.5	9.0	0	0		0	0	0			2
2022	Auburn	SEC	SR	DL	12	41	19	60	11.5	6.5	1	19	19.0	0	0	1	0	0	2

Ojulari Highlights:

Hall Highlights:

duncan_idaho · 02-14-2023, 09:47 PM

Hall has more tricks in the bag right now. Think I lean that way. You've done a good job making a case for him, and the highlights back it up.

staylor26 · 02-14-2023, 10:12 PM

I think Hall is the safer pick, but if Ojulari is over 250, I think I'd rather take the bigger swing.

Checking out BJ Ojulari a little bit today, and this dude can seriously turn a corner. These still images help illustrate the absurd angle that Ojulari cuts as he executes his ghost rush and turns the corner.

Not many can do that, I tell you whhhhhhaaaaaatttt. pic.twitter.com/bPdmWIuSwT
— John Owning (@JohnOwning) February 13, 2023

It's very close for me though.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-15-2023, 03:25 AM

If you go strictly on the PFF draft value rating then Ojulari is the guy, but I like Hall more too

JPH83 · 02-15-2023, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

If you go strictly on the PFF draft value rating then Ojulari is the guy, but I like Hall more too

I'm the same. I don't really get Ojulari if I'm honest, in particular his get off and speed just don't look particularly impressive to me.

Direckshun · 02-15-2023, 08:31 AM

Ojulari all day.

It's an Andy Reid special, too. Get the guy who has a brother in the game. Bank on them being the same kinds of players.

Neither player is a great fit for a Spags DL but this team needs more sacks off the edge, and Ojulari 100% will get them for you, possibly by Year 1. But definitely by Year 3.

O.city · 02-15-2023, 08:34 AM

If you have them close, shouldn't you go for the younger guy?

DJ's left nut · 02-15-2023, 09:08 AM

I really like Ojulari.

But like Direkshun said, I don't know that Spags will like either of them.

To me, he's an absolutely perfect fit as the weak side DE and frankly I wouldn't even hate bringing Clark back on a (very) reasonable deal to rotate with him. I think he and George complement each other really well.

I just love that bend. And yes, he has some work to do, but that kid could be a 12 sack/yr player if you can get a little more weight on him and coach him up. There is a LOT to work with there.

kccrow · 02-15-2023, 09:35 AM

The thing with the fit is that they are both really close to the same size as Frank Clark. Hell, they might be bigger than Clark is currently. I don't know if it would be an issue for Spags. That said, he and Cullen prefer some length to get up in those passing lanes when they can't get home.

As for Ojulari, just because Azeez is great doesn't mean he will be great. I don't take much out of brothers in the league. There have been plenty in the NFL and not all are both future HOFers.

I like Ojulari and think he's a good prospect. I'd have no issue with KC taking him whatsoever. I just think Hall is a little better against the run, is every bit as good of a pass rusher, and his motor is running just as hot late in the 4th as it is in the 1st quarter. I have no issue with anyone arguing the other way, just how my eyes see it.

Direckshun · 02-17-2023, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

The thing with the fit is that they are both really close to the same size as Frank Clark.

I respect that information.

Here's the truth, though. Both of the guys in the OP play much, much smaller than Clark. Clark plays bigger, his style is different.

It's important when we take these guys that we're swimming with the tide and not trying to remake them into a guy they're not.

Neither of these guys are Frank Clark, stylistically.

O.city · 02-15-2023, 09:57 AM

I think I like Hall better.

staylor26 · 02-15-2023, 11:05 AM

Along with these 2, I think Will McDonald will be in the convo.

He was only 241 at the Senior Bowl, but I think he has the frame to put on 10-15 pounds.

He has freaskishly long arms to make up for it though. That's why I think we should at least keep our eye on him throughout the process.

kccrow · 02-15-2023, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Along with these 2, I think Will McDonald will be in the convo.

He was only 241 at the Senior Bowl, but I think he has the frame to put on 10-15 pounds.

He has freaskishly long arms to make up for it though. That's why I think we should at least keep our eye on him throughout the process.

He'll absolutely be in the convo for sure. I don't think we should realistically sleep on Anudike-Uzomah either. He's a pretty twitchy edge that's a little longer like McDonald. We'll have to see where his arms measure but I bet its close to 35.

staylor26 · 02-15-2023, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

He'll absolutely be in the convo for sure. I don't think we should realistically sleep on Anudike-Uzomah either. He's a pretty twitchy edge that's a little longer like McDonald. We'll have to see where his arms measure but I bet its close to 35.

Yes, forgot about him. Those 4, along with White and Van Ness, should all be in the conversation since it's very early.

Although it doesn't sound like White and Van Ness will be in our range when it's all said and done.

Maybe that pushes Myles Murphy down to our range though.

staylor26 · 02-15-2023, 11:17 AM

And one more thing about Ojulari, dude is only 20 years old. He doesn't even turn 21 until around the draft.

He racked up 7 sacks in the SEC as a 19 year old Soph. His production dropped a little this year, but the flashes were absolutely still there.

View Poll Results: Who ya got?
Derick Hall, Auburn	11	64.71%
BJ Ojulari, LSU	6	35.29%
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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2080960	I think Hall is the safer pick, but if Ojulari is over 250, I think I'd rather take the bigger swing. Checking out BJ Ojulari a little bit today, and this dude can seriously turn a corner. These still images help illustrate the absurd angle that Ojulari cuts as he executes his ghost rush and turns the corner. Not many can do that, I tell you whhhhhhaaaaaatttt. pic.twitter.com/bPdmWIuSwT — John Owning (@JohnOwning) February 13, 2023 It's very close for me though.
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02-15-2023, 03:25 AM	#4
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02-15-2023, 08:31 AM	#6
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Ojulari all day. It's an Andy Reid special, too. Get the guy who has a brother in the game. Bank on them being the same kinds of players. Neither player is a great fit for a Spags DL but this team needs more sacks off the edge, and Ojulari 100% will get them for you, possibly by Year 1. But definitely by Year 3.
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02-15-2023, 09:35 AM	#9
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1240000	The thing with the fit is that they are both really close to the same size as Frank Clark. Hell, they might be bigger than Clark is currently. I don't know if it would be an issue for Spags. That said, he and Cullen prefer some length to get up in those passing lanes when they can't get home. As for Ojulari, just because Azeez is great doesn't mean he will be great. I don't take much out of brothers in the league. There have been plenty in the NFL and not all are both future HOFers. I like Ojulari and think he's a good prospect. I'd have no issue with KC taking him whatsoever. I just think Hall is a little better against the run, is every bit as good of a pass rusher, and his motor is running just as hot late in the 4th as it is in the 1st quarter. I have no issue with anyone arguing the other way, just how my eyes see it.
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02-15-2023, 09:57 AM	#11
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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2080960	Along with these 2, I think Will McDonald will be in the convo. He was only 241 at the Senior Bowl, but I think he has the frame to put on 10-15 pounds. He has freaskishly long arms to make up for it though. That's why I think we should at least keep our eye on him throughout the process.
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02-15-2023, 11:17 AM	#15
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2080960	And one more thing about Ojulari, dude is only 20 years old. He doesn't even turn 21 until around the draft. He racked up 7 sacks in the SEC as a 19 year old Soph. His production dropped a little this year, but the flashes were absolutely still there.
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