Chiefs Offsides reality

tredadda · 12-10-2023, 09:46 PM

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

Molitoth · 12-10-2023, 09:47 PM

hmmmmm... you pretty much nailed it.

Nice job.

**Bearcat** · 12-10-2023, 09:50 PM

Yep. I get Reid and Mahomes' frustration in general (the DPI last week, the 3 or 4 or 10 challenges this week, and so on), but that one particular call is a strange hill to die on, IMO. And I'm sure the previous calls and even last week, and the frustrations of the offense in general built up to what we saw on the sidelines.

Rainbarrel · 12-10-2023, 09:51 PM

It gives Buffalo the distraction to extend McDermott

Wallcrawler · 12-10-2023, 09:53 PM

Mcderpitt was so relieved when the ball hit the ground on 4th down.

It's a crime that he coached that final series so poorly on offense and gets to sneak out with a win.

KC_Connection · 12-10-2023, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Mcderpitt was so relieved when the ball hit the ground on 4th down.

It's a crime that he coached that final series so poorly on offense and gets to sneak out with a win.

He'll **** up in some other way in the next few weeks to knock his team out of the playoffs anyway.

Molitoth · 12-10-2023, 09:52 PM

Mahomes' frustrations has reached the boiling point.

FloridaMan88 · 12-10-2023, 09:54 PM

Toney should have lined up onsides.

Hopefully Andy is properly holding him accountable behind closed doors, if he would rather make it a refs issue to the media.

**LoneWolf** · 12-10-2023, 09:54 PM

Being 6” offside has literally no effect on the play which is why it is almost never called. The hold on Juju in the Super Bowl had an impact on what the play could be. It’s a stupid comparison. Toney also checked with the referee before the snap. KC was robbed of a TD by Cheffer’s crew. Not sure they win the game because Buffalo would have had a shot to go down and win it, but the call was bullshit.

Jerm · 12-10-2023, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Being 6” offside has literally no effect on the play which is why it is almost never called. The hold on Juju in the Super Bowl had an impact on what the play could be. It’s a stupid comparison. Toney also checked with the referee before the snap. KC was robbed of a TD by Cheffer’s crew. Not sure they win the game because Buffalo would have had a shot to go down and win it, but the call was bullshit.

He was CLEARLY offsides….I mean clearly…wasn’t a bullshit call.

Just do something that’s the most elementary of things to do and it doesn’t get called, period.

Jewish Rabbi · 12-10-2023, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Being 6” offside has literally no effect on the play which is why it is almost never called. The hold on Juju in the Super Bowl had an impact on what the play could be. It’s a stupid comparison. Toney also checked with the referee before the snap. KC was robbed of a TD by Cheffer’s crew. Not sure they win the game because Buffalo would have had a shot to go down and win it, but the call was bullshit.

People keep saying he checked… have we seen any evidence of such? And it’s his fault either way he shouldn’t have to rely on the line judge to make sure he isn’t offside.

Molitoth · 12-10-2023, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

People keep saying he checked… have we seen any evidence of such? And it’s his fault either way he shouldn’t have to rely on the line judge to make sure he isn’t offside.

I was taught that you TELL the ref whether you are on the LOS or not so he can ensure there is at least 7 men on the LoS. IF the ref tells you that you need to scoot up or back, that's just a benefit of him being nice... as it's not a mandatory job of his to ensure you do your job correctly.

BWillie · 12-10-2023, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

I was taught that you TELL the ref whether you are on the LOS or not so he can ensure there is at least 7 men on the LoS. IF the ref tells you that you need to scoot up or back, that's just a benefit of him being nice... as it's not a mandatory job of his to ensure you do your job correctly.

Nonetheless its common in football. From many accounts he got an ok by one ref and either that ref or a different ref called it anyway. Its almost like none of you have ever played football before. Thats why its so rarely called because A) they give the offense huge leeway for it 2) refs will warn you first, 3) refs will even allow and tell you to correct it

Molitoth · 12-10-2023, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Its almost like none of you have ever played football before. Thats why its so rarely called because A) they give the offense huge leeway for it 2) refs will warn you first, 3) refs will even allow and tell you to correct it

welp, I played (was no statistic all-star, but I knew the WR position well) and I recall telling the ref I was on/off the LoS, not asking him.

Yes, there were times one would be nice enough to help me adjust, but it wasn't his job to do it and I thanked him.

now...
On this play, Toney was lined up near the inner hash so he wasn't in speaking distance of the line judge. It will be interesting if the All22 shows Toney give the ref a signal and what the response of that is before Toney turns his head back into the ball.

KC_Connection · 12-10-2023, 10:54 PM

FWIW, former Seahawks TE Luke Wilson, the analyst on the Canadian sports network TSN, just laid the blame entirely on Toney for being oblivious as to where he was.

He did say there's a legitimate gripe by Mahomes/Reid in the sense that there's usually a dialogue or warning given for guys who are close on the line of scrimmage, but that it's really not that hard to not line up that clearly offsides and that he managed to do it thousands of times without any issue.

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tredadda Three-Pat Join Date: May 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Casino cash: $-2034947	Offsides reality Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out. 1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately. 2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC. 3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will. It is what it is.
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LoneWolf Constable of Untruths Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $-998916	Being 6” offside has literally no effect on the play which is why it is almost never called. The hold on Juju in the Super Bowl had an impact on what the play could be. It’s a stupid comparison. Toney also checked with the referee before the snap. KC was robbed of a TD by Cheffer’s crew. Not sure they win the game because Buffalo would have had a shot to go down and win it, but the call was bullshit.
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KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $1472783	FWIW, former Seahawks TE Luke Wilson, the analyst on the Canadian sports network TSN, just laid the blame entirely on Toney for being oblivious as to where he was. He did say there's a legitimate gripe by Mahomes/Reid in the sense that there's usually a dialogue or warning given for guys who are close on the line of scrimmage, but that it's really not that hard to not line up that clearly offsides and that he managed to do it thousands of times without any issue.
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