Offsides reality

[tredadda]

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

I was taught that you TELL the ref whether you are on the LOS or not so he can ensure there is at least 7 men on the LoS. IF the ref tells you that you need to scoot up or back, that's just a benefit of him being nice... as it's not a mandatory job of his to ensure you do your job correctly.

Nonetheless its common in football. From many accounts he got an ok by one ref and either that ref or a different ref called it anyway. Its almost like none of you have ever played football before. Thats why its so rarely called because A) they give the offense huge leeway for it 2) refs will warn you first, 3) refs will even allow and tell you to correct it

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Its almost like none of you have ever played football before. Thats why its so rarely called because A) they give the offense huge leeway for it 2) refs will warn you first, 3) refs will even allow and tell you to correct it

welp, I played (was no statistic all-star, but I knew the WR position well) and I recall telling the ref I was on/off the LoS, not asking him.

Yes, there were times one would be nice enough to help me adjust, but it wasn't his job to do it and I thanked him.


now...
On this play, Toney was lined up near the inner hash so he wasn't in speaking distance of the line judge. It will be interesting if the All22 shows Toney give the ref a signal and what the response of that is before Toney turns his head back into the ball.

[GloryDayz]

NFL officials are laughing at just how easy it is to manipulate outcomes of games.

All of what was said in the OP is accurate, but I'm going to laugh next time we lose when there was a penalty and the NFL decides to say, "we were letting them play", or "it was a bang-bang play", or "I can't make that call at that point in the game", or "I can't call what I don't choose to see".

It's fine to take the high road, but when coach is fined for his version of the truth it'll be pretty clear that I'm right (again).

[KC_Connection]

FWIW, former Seahawks TE Luke Wilson, the analyst on the Canadian sports network TSN, just laid the blame entirely on Toney for being oblivious as to where he was.

He did say there's a legitimate gripe by Mahomes/Reid in the sense that there's usually a dialogue or warning given for guys who are close on the line of scrimmage, but that it's really not that hard to not line up that clearly offsides and that he managed to do it thousands of times without any issue.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

So are we gonna talk about TWO CBS employees being forced by CBS to delete their reporting that Toney DID check his position with the officials?

This is a coverup that both CBS and the NFL have to answer for. pic.twitter.com/nwvlEz4ndP

— Master Chief 🏈 (@MasterChiefs15) December 11, 2023

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Mcderpitt was so relieved when the ball hit the ground on 4th down.

It's a crime that he coached that final series so poorly on offense and gets to sneak out with a win.

He'll **** up in some other way in the next few weeks to knock his team out of the playoffs anyway.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

FWIW, former Seahawks TE Luke Wilson, the analyst on the Canadian sports network TSN, just laid the blame entirely on Toney for being oblivious as to where he was.

He did say there's a legitimate gripe by Mahomes/Reid in the sense that there's usually a dialogue or warning given for guys who are close on the line of scrimmage, but that it's really not that hard to not line up that clearly offsides and that he managed to do it thousands of times without any issue.

Officials know their instructions and exactly how to achieve it with, or without, player's support. In the case of Toney, he's an official's dream in relation to manipulating the outcome of games.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Reality is Von Miller was offsides on the next play. It was the same side if the field too.

Fishy, very fishy.

[Mosbonian]

I will acknowledge that Toney made his bed...would be nice to get a definitive look to see if he was micro inches over...and if somehow the same crew that saw Toney missed Von Miller being offsides.

But the officiating errors are getting silly...look at the Offsides they called on Jones this week that last week was called on our O Lineman. That one was just plain silly.

What I would like is better officiating...as shown by the horrible calls of the past 2 weeks.

You can't deny it.

[kcfan75]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

I coached Pee Wee league this year, the refs were responsible for telling our WR's if they were offside, and they did a great job of doing it and we had zero WR's and TE's offside. Unlike the NFL.

[GloryDayz]

Will there ever be a "reality of the missed/uncalled O-line hold" thread where the NFL officials are taken to task for what was "technically" or "actually" a hold by the definition of the rule, but not called? I know, I know, "default excuse" - "there a hold on every play"...

I didn't think so. Again, the point is the official(s) make call that manipulate the outcome of games, and there's really no debating that.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I will acknowledge that Toney made his bed...would be nice to get a definitive look to see if he was micro inches over...and if somehow the same crew that saw Toney missed Von Miller being offsides.

But the officiating errors are getting silly...look at the Offsides they called on Jones this week that last week was called on our O Lineman. That one was just plain silly.

What I would like is better officiating...as shown by the horrible calls of the past 2 weeks.

You can't deny it.

Errors? That all depends on who you talk to and what their motives is/are.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I will acknowledge that Toney made his bed...would be nice to get a definitive look to see if he was micro inches over...and if somehow the same crew that saw Toney missed Von Miller being offsides.

But the officiating errors are getting silly...look at the Offsides they called on Jones this week that last week was called on our O Lineman. That one was just plain silly.

What I would like is better officiating...as shown by the horrible calls of the past 2 weeks.

You can't deny it.

AI has a future in a football league that wants officials to be better.

[GloryDayz]

Can anybody name any officiating crew from the 70s or 80s?

Cheffers and his shenanigans has made him a household name. And not in a good way..

BTW, instead of numbers I think officials should now have to have their names on their shirts since they're such an important part of the outcome of most games.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Just got home and watched the replay. Ok, you are going to call Toney offsides then how can you miss the blatant illegal contact on the same play against Toney at 10 yards by two Bills after calling it on Watson the series before.