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Old 01-07-2025, 11:07 AM   Topic Starter
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Old 01-07-2025, 11:51 AM   #7
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Old 01-07-2025, 12:08 PM   #8
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I don't think he's a great coach, BUT, I don't think you should be holding his playoff record against him like that considering how many times he got a shit team into the playoffs that had no business being there.
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I don't think this makes him a bad coach honestly, the never having a losing record thing I get why it's impressive but it also is why his playoff record looks like that.

By never really bottoming out or having a bad year, you are constantly drafting no better than like 18th, this means your team loses talent and without a generational QB, you are what they are.
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I don't think this makes him a bad coach honestly, the never having a losing record thing I get why it's impressive but it also is why his playoff record looks like that.

By never really bottoming out or having a bad year, you are constantly drafting no better than like 18th, this means your team loses talent and without a generational QB, you are what they are.
Yeah I was gonna say he's taking a lot of flack these days and that team has not had a legit good QB in probably 5-6 years. He's basically been keeping that team afloat with an old Roethlisberger and Kenny Pickett. If you give Tomlin a GM that can help give him offensive talent you'd probably have something.
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I don't think this makes him a bad coach honestly, the never having a losing record thing I get why it's impressive but it also is why his playoff record looks like that.

By never really bottoming out or having a bad year, you are constantly drafting no better than like 18th, this means your team loses talent and without a generational QB, you are what they are.
He's Jeff Fisher with better press.

If I were a Steelers fan, I'd absolutely be ready to move on from Mike Tomlin. The issue isn't even that he's a bad coach -- it's that he's an average coach and a bad CEO.

If you're a guy who doesn't have a coaching tree to speak of. Who doesn't call plays or design concepts. If you're a guy who's sole role appears to be as a motivator then you HAVE to have good coordinators.

He doesn't. Ever. Because the guys he wants in those roles simply aren't creative enough. Has a Tomlin coordinator ever gone on to have a HC role? Does his 'coaching tree' have even a single branch?

I don't believe it does.

And honestly, I don't think it ever will because he's just not a guy who's going to go find a young coaching phenom and give him the keys.

Tomlin is more part of the problem than a solution at this point.
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He's Jeff Fisher with better press.

If I were a Steelers fan, I'd absolutely be ready to move on from Mike Tomlin. The issue isn't even that he's a bad coach -- it's that he's an average coach and a bad CEO.

If you're a guy who doesn't have a coaching tree to speak of. Who doesn't call plays or design concepts. If you're a guy who's sole role appears to be as a motivator then you HAVE to have good coordinators.

He doesn't. Ever. Because the guys he wants in those roles simply aren't creative enough. Has a Tomlin coordinator ever gone on to have a HC role? Does his 'coaching tree' have even a single branch?

I don't believe it does.

And honestly, I don't think it ever will because he's just not a guy who's going to go find a young coaching phenom and give him the keys.

Tomlin is more part of the problem than a solution at this point.
I'm actually surprised he isn't fired yet. They have been very loyal, but he's simply not good now.
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I'm actually surprised he isn't fired yet. They have been very loyal, but he's simply not good now.
No losing seasons, two SB appearances, one ring on a franchise that is known for retaining coaches has bought him a lot of slack.
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I'm actually surprised he isn't fired yet. They have been very loyal, but he's simply not good now.
Pittsburg has always been about stability at the HC spot. They go the to the opposite extreme of the coaching carousel.
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He's Jeff Fisher with better press.

If I were a Steelers fan, I'd absolutely be ready to move on from Mike Tomlin. The issue isn't even that he's a bad coach -- it's that he's an average coach and a bad CEO.

If you're a guy who doesn't have a coaching tree to speak of. Who doesn't call plays or design concepts. If you're a guy who's sole role appears to be as a motivator then you HAVE to have good coordinators.

He doesn't. Ever. Because the guys he wants in those roles simply aren't creative enough. Has a Tomlin coordinator ever gone on to have a HC role? Does his 'coaching tree' have even a single branch?

I don't believe it does.

And honestly, I don't think it ever will because he's just not a guy who's going to go find a young coaching phenom and give him the keys.

Tomlin is more part of the problem than a solution at this point.
Wasn’t Bruce Arians a coordinator there at some point? Your overall point is good, regardless.
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