4th Year Grade For Dick Vermeil

NaptownChief · 09-19-2004, 06:29 PM

Well DV is probably the nicest damn guy to have the head coaches title in the NFL but putting aside the fact that he is so likeable how would you grade him now into his 4th season.

Our high powered offense the past couple years was exciting and a lot of fun to watch but now in his 4th season we have yet to win a playoff game and our defense has been the worst in the NFL over that 4 year stretch. We are now a very old offense by NFL standards and our defense is showing no signs of becoming adequate before most of the offenses key players get too old.

It is very likely that he leaves after this season leaving us with the worst defense in the NFL and a offense that is very long in the tooth on top of that a well below average job in the draft the past few years leaving us very little up and coming talent.

Assuming this season ends up 8-8 or worse and a non-playoff season how would you rate the acquisition of DV that cost us a 2nd and 3rd round pick on top of a team that will most likely be in a struggling rebuilding phase?

I'm not really looking to turn this into a rip DV session as I really like the guy but just looking for a honest opinion as to how you view this past four season process.

**ShortRoundChief** · 09-19-2004, 06:32 PM

Wait til the season is over.

ChiefsFanatik88 · 09-19-2004, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Wait til the season is over.

I second or third that motion

Raiderhater · 09-19-2004, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnier4

I second or third that motion

More like fourth or fifth, maybe even sixth. But who the hell cares.

JimNasium · 09-19-2004, 06:33 PM

You can't grade a year until it is over. I really wish people would step away from the ledge.

|Zach| · 09-19-2004, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimNasium

You can't grade a year until it is over. I really wish people would step away from the ledge.

Message Board Culture.

NaptownChief · 09-19-2004, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimNasium

You can't grade a year until it is over. I really wish people would step away from the ledge.

If it makes you feel better then make it a 3 year and 2 game grade.

NaptownChief · 09-19-2004, 07:09 PM

Taco, was that you that handed out the A?

Demonpenz · 09-19-2004, 06:34 PM

we would have just wasted the draft picks anyway

Raiderhater · 09-19-2004, 06:35 PM

I agree with J Diddy and the claymation man.

**cdcox** · 09-19-2004, 07:11 PM

Too early to determine. KC peaked too early last year. We don't yet have that worry this year.

Coogs · 09-19-2004, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

Too early to determine. KC peaked too early last year. We don't yet have that worry this year.

There was a stat thrown out on the FOX broadcast about the amount of points the Chiefs had given up in their last 5 games (I think) last season, and first 2 games this season. It was an unbelievable stat.

I have loved watching what DV brought to this team. They have been a pure joy to watch with Dante on ST's and the offense the past couple of years. And we had a chance to go to the Super Bowl. For the better part of last season, it was a real chance too.

My only negative thought on DV is this.... that we may have too many "profile" guys on this team. At the risk of sounding like Whitlock, I really think we could use some guys on defense that were just down right nasty at times.

I'll give him high marks though, cause the Grbac and players quitting was really one of the low points of my 35 years of being a Chiefs fan. Don't ever want to go back to those days.

Raiderhater · 09-19-2004, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs

There was a stat thrown out on the FOX broadcast about the amount of points the Chiefs had given up in their last 5 games (I think) last season, and first 2 games this season. It was an unbelievable stat.

I have loved watching what DV brought to this team. They have been a pure joy to watch with Dante on ST's and the offense the past couple of years. And we had a chance to go to the Super Bowl. For the better part of last season, it was a real chance too.

My only negative thought on DV is this.... that we may have too many "profile" guys on this team. At the risk of sounding like Whitlock, I really think we could use some guys on defens that were just down right nasty at times.

I'll give him high marks though, cause the Grbac and players quitting was really one of the low points of my 35 years of being a Chiefs fan. Don't ever want to go back to those days.

I more or less agree with everything here. If I had to grade DV on what he has accomplished thus far, a trip back to the playoffs after a long hiatus insures I don't vote below a C. However I don't have to grade him right now, and really am not in the right frame of mind to do so objectively.

**dirk digler** · 09-19-2004, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs

There was a stat thrown out on the FOX broadcast about the amount of points the Chiefs had given up in their last 5 games (I think) last season, and first 2 games this season. It was an unbelievable stat.

I have loved watching what DV brought to this team. They have been a pure joy to watch with Dante on ST's and the offense the past couple of years. And we had a chance to go to the Super Bowl. For the better part of last season, it was a real chance too.

My only negative thought on DV is this.... that we may have too many "profile" guys on this team. At the risk of sounding like Whitlock, I really think we could use some guys on defens that were just down right nasty at times.

I'll give him high marks though, cause the Grbac and players quitting was really one of the low points of my 35 years of being a Chiefs fan. Don't ever want to go back to those days.

I am disturbed by the fact that last year we were 2-4 against winning teams and now we are 0-2. Maybe we are not as good as we think we are.

Chiefs Pantalones · 09-19-2004, 07:14 PM

If we don't win the Super Bowl, his tenure was a failure. Same with every team. That's why they play the games, for the championships.

View Poll Results: Grade the DV Aquistion
F	6	30.00%
D	6	30.00%
C	2	10.00%
B	5	25.00%
A	1	5.00%
Voters: 20. You may not vote on this poll

09-19-2004, 06:29 PM	Topic Starter
NaptownChief Football Pimp Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indianapolis,IN Casino cash: $9974900	4th Year Grade For Dick Vermeil Well DV is probably the nicest damn guy to have the head coaches title in the NFL but putting aside the fact that he is so likeable how would you grade him now into his 4th season. Our high powered offense the past couple years was exciting and a lot of fun to watch but now in his 4th season we have yet to win a playoff game and our defense has been the worst in the NFL over that 4 year stretch. We are now a very old offense by NFL standards and our defense is showing no signs of becoming adequate before most of the offenses key players get too old. It is very likely that he leaves after this season leaving us with the worst defense in the NFL and a offense that is very long in the tooth on top of that a well below average job in the draft the past few years leaving us very little up and coming talent. Assuming this season ends up 8-8 or worse and a non-playoff season how would you rate the acquisition of DV that cost us a 2nd and 3rd round pick on top of a team that will most likely be in a struggling rebuilding phase? I'm not really looking to turn this into a rip DV session as I really like the guy but just looking for a honest opinion as to how you view this past four season process.
Posts: 4,357

09-19-2004, 06:32 PM	#2
ShortRoundChief Embrace the love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Joplin Casino cash: $4067192	Wait til the season is over.
Posts: 33,930

09-19-2004, 06:33 PM	#5
JimNasium Voodoo Chile Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: At the crossroad Casino cash: $-953143	You can't grade a year until it is over. I really wish people would step away from the ledge. __________________ World class speed!
Posts: 7,139

09-19-2004, 07:09 PM	#8
NaptownChief Football Pimp Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indianapolis,IN Casino cash: $9974900	Taco, was that you that handed out the A? __________________ "We weren't worth a damn," the Kansas City Chiefs head coach said, shaking his head. "I'm not worth a damn. No one's worth a damn..." Former President of the Eric Downing Fan Club and Current President of the Kris"Secret Weapon"Wilson Fan Club
Posts: 4,357

09-19-2004, 06:34 PM	#9
Demonpenz Woman should only make babies Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $-403864	we would have just wasted the draft picks anyway __________________
Posts: 54,957

09-19-2004, 06:35 PM	#10
Raiderhater Tried it on and it fit Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: A Webb of chaos Casino cash: $-1607979	I agree with J Diddy and the claymation man. __________________ "Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, and disregard of all the rules." -- George Orwell, Shooting an Elephant
Posts: 29,553

09-19-2004, 07:11 PM	#11
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-588231	Too early to determine. KC peaked too early last year. We don't yet have that worry this year.
Posts: 46,032

09-19-2004, 07:14 PM	#15
Chiefs Pantalones GO CHIEFS!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6868717	If we don't win the Super Bowl, his tenure was a failure. Same with every team. That's why they play the games, for the championships. __________________ Don't be fooled by my username, I'm white.
Posts: 26,653