Chiefs Chiefs could be stacked for next offseason. - Page 8

Direckshun · 03-12-2014, 10:24 AM

I'm anticipating several things here:

1. The Chiefs are only shopping in the bargain bin this offseason, and thus should bring in 4 compensatory picks next year (my guess: a 3rd, two 4ths, and a 5th).

2. The Chiefs could open up cap space for next year by releasing Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, and Sean Smith.

If the Chiefs do bring in 4 compensatory picks, they will have 11 picks, 9 picks in the first 5 rounds in 2015.

If the Chiefs do cut those players, which I reckon they might, that would open up about $24m in cap space. On top of the $24m they're already projected to have (pre-Alex Smith and pre-Justin Houston extensions which will take up cap space, and pre-Eric Berry extension, which will free some up), that'll leave the Chiefs with $48m in cap space in 2015.

That should be enough to account for extensions for Smith and Houston, and still have over $30m left over for tons of free agent signings if they so desire, and tons of draft picks to either (a.) trade for talent, or (b.) bring in great talent in the Draft.

Just some food for thought.

milkman · 03-12-2014, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Avril and Bennett were both bargain signings, not huge bank breaking deals like the Donkeys are doing.

I understand that.

As I said in an earlier, I am not concerned with the lack of activity early in this process.

I am only pointing out the stupidity of these posts.

Direckshun · 03-12-2014, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Bullshit.

No? How does Schwartz close the gap on Ware, Talib, and Ward?

Christ, you guys.

FringeNC · 03-12-2014, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

The problem is that we've been trying to build through the draft for some time now, only to piss down our leg when it comes time to sign a second contract for our home grown talent. Building through the draft isn't very meaningless if the team refuses to pay a contract once those draft picks exceed their rookie contract.

A team that consistently drafts well cannot pay all of its stars the market wage on their 2nd contract. There exists a salary cap. A good GM will identify the key talent and let the rest walk.

DTLB58 · 03-12-2014, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You are full of shit, Direckshun.
The move by Tex gives your line an opportunity to retain some chemistry and cohesion.

I saw an offense that improved over the course of the last 6 games, and adefense whose major weakness was exposed and taken advantage of over the course of the last 9.

You add a reliable WR opposite Bowe, and competent FS play, and with a couple of additions in the draft, and you have a team that can compete.

Trading 2 draft picks for a QB, then follow that up with moves designed to stockpile picks and cap space are inconsistent approaches.

Thread over.

OldSchool · 03-12-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

The problem is that we've been trying to build through the draft for some time now, only to piss down our leg when it comes time to sign a second contract for our home grown talent. Building through the draft isn't very meaningless if the team refuses to pay a contract once those draft picks exceed their rookie contract.

How dare they pass on signing an injury-prone 30 year old OT to a nearly $50 mil deal who is only above average at his position?

Or how dare they pass on a "run stuffing" 5-tech who offers no pass rushing ability for $25 mil?

How dare they pass on a special teams pipsqueak who isn't very fast for his size and offers little in the passing game when a draft that's remarkably deep at WR is coming up?

How could they think of passing on signing an OG who was a career journeyman and an average starter at best for premium dollars?

Yeahhhhhhh, about that.

jd1020 · 03-12-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

A team that consistently drafts well cannot pay all of its stars the market wage on their 2nd contract. There exists a salary cap. A good GM will identify the key talent and let the rest walk.

Daniel... key talent.

**The Franchise** · 03-12-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

No? How does Schwartz close the gap on Ware, Talib, and Ward?

Christ, you guys.

Schwartz keeps the cohesiveness of the line together while allowing you to spend your draft picks on other more necessary holes. You may not be gaining ground but you're definitely not losing ground.

kcpasco · 03-12-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

No? How does Schwartz close the gap on Ware, Talib, and Ward?

Christ, you guys.

So Chiefs should just concede the season and go belly up because the big bad Broncos got better?
Schwartz was actually a solid player for us last year.

**The Franchise** · 03-12-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Avril and Bennett were both bargain signings, not huge bank breaking deals like the Donkeys are doing.

And guess what? Bennett just got a new deal because of how he performed. Funny that teams do that after 1 year prove it deals.

mcaj22 · 03-12-2014, 11:24 AM

I'd rather play Schwartz, a guy with experience that knows the system then having to go through another season of basically a ****ing inexperienced unknown rookie starting. We saw how that went with Eric Fisher at tackle, and we picked him first overall. Could you imagine if we threw out a 23rd overall pick, 3rd round pick, 4th, undrafted? some slap ass that was on our practice squad last year? It's basically like playing an unknown player with no experience and it's no guarantee he will be stable at the position. Add ontop of the fact our most tenured olineman will be Jeff ****ing Allen. That's what's considered a "Veteran" for us. Jeff Allen. Let that sink in. (they will probably end up signing some old fart like Daryn Colledge but as of right now, all things being equal)

And apparently, they plan on playing a lot of inexperienced players as starters next season unless they sign some veterans to plug these holes.

Fish · 03-12-2014, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

A team that consistently drafts well cannot pay all of its stars the market wage on their 2nd contract. There exists a salary cap. A good GM will identify the key talent and let the rest walk.

The point is that so far this offseason, we've went against the "Build through the draft" model by letting many of our own high draft picks walk away by not offering them a contract past their rookie one, in addition to mostly ignoring the free agent market thus far.

FringeNC · 03-12-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

The point is that so far this offseason, we've went against the "Build through the draft" model by letting many of our own high draft picks walk away by not offering them a contract past their rookie one, in addition to mostly ignoring the free agent market thus far.

Huh? The point is you can't be the highest bidder in the league on a bunch of guys every year, regardless of whether you drafted them or not.

OldSchool · 03-12-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

And guess what? Bennett just got a new deal because of how he performed. Funny that teams do that after 1 year prove it deals.

People are mad at losing Schwart but he is an average starter at best, that was his ceiling. No way that we were going to over pay him like the Giants did. It's not like he proved himself to be a top or even above average guard in the league; he was just better than what we currently had and people are treating him like the next coming of Larry Allen. Schwartz was a good run blocker but a poor pass protector; he was not worth what the Giants paid for him but good for him that he was able to get his pay day.

The only reason why he looked good, compared to our other interior guys, was because he was the most experienced.

**The Franchise** · 03-12-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

People are mad at losing Schwart but he is an average starter at best, that was his ceiling. No way that we were going to over pay him like the Giants did. It's not like he proved himself to be a top or even above average guard in the league; he was just better than what we currently had and people are treating him like the next coming of Larry Allen. Schwartz was a good run blocker but a poor pass protector; he was not worth what the Giants paid for him but good for him that he was able to get his pay day.

Overpay him? Show me his contract details....otherwise you're just speculating.

**BossChief** · 03-12-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Huh? The point is you can't be the highest bidder in the league on a bunch of guys every year, regardless of whether you drafted them or not.

That's why you get guys locked up before the very last minute.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Chiefs could be stacked for next offseason. I'm anticipating several things here: 1. The Chiefs are only shopping in the bargain bin this offseason, and thus should bring in 4 compensatory picks next year (my guess: a 3rd, two 4ths, and a 5th). 2. The Chiefs could open up cap space for next year by releasing Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, and Sean Smith. If the Chiefs do bring in 4 compensatory picks, they will have 11 picks, 9 picks in the first 5 rounds in 2015. If the Chiefs do cut those players, which I reckon they might, that would open up about $24m in cap space. On top of the $24m they're already projected to have (pre-Alex Smith and pre-Justin Houston extensions which will take up cap space, and pre-Eric Berry extension, which will free some up), that'll leave the Chiefs with $48m in cap space in 2015. That should be enough to account for extensions for Smith and Houston, and still have over $30m left over for tons of free agent signings if they so desire, and tons of draft picks to either (a.) trade for talent, or (b.) bring in great talent in the Draft. Just some food for thought.
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	I'd rather play Schwartz, a guy with experience that knows the system then having to go through another season of basically a **ing inexperienced unknown rookie starting. We saw how that went with Eric Fisher at tackle, and we picked him first overall. Could you imagine if we threw out a 23rd overall pick, 3rd round pick, 4th, undrafted? some slap ass that was on our practice squad last year? It's basically like playing an unknown player with no experience and it's no guarantee he will be stable at the position. Add ontop of the fact our most tenured olineman will be Jeff **ing Allen. That's what's considered a "Veteran" for us. Jeff Allen. Let that sink in. (they will probably end up signing some old fart like Daryn Colledge but as of right now, all things being equal) And apparently, they plan on playing a lot of inexperienced players as starters next season unless they sign some veterans to plug these holes.
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