Chiefs Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs - Page 2

cmh6476 · 12-30-2014, 11:06 AM

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

ODESSABRONC · 12-30-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

And Alex probably isn't anywhere near Trent's yards per attempt or per completion.

I was just going bring this up. Because I'm sure there is noticeable difference.

dls6501 · 12-30-2014, 11:54 AM

We also had arguably the best running back in the NFL that year. 21 TD's in 14 games for the Priest!!

Yet, Trent still had 26 touchdowns. If Jamaal Charles had 21 touchdowns in 14 games, the Alex homers would use that as an excuse as to why Alex could only muster a 15 TD season.

ODESSABRONC · 12-30-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

We also had arguably the best running back in the NFL that year. 21 TD's in 14 games for the Priest!!

Yet, Trent still had 26 touchdowns. If Jamaal Charles had 21 touchdowns in 14 games, the Alex homers would use that as an excuse as to why Alex could only muster a 15 TD season.

Like Tebowites they Smithites use whatever is available at the time.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-30-2014, 11:57 AM

Just remember, if you bitch about him having no line, you're acting the same way you did with Matt Cassel.

BUT IT'LL BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME!

keg in kc · 12-30-2014, 11:58 AM

No, it really doesn't. At all.

Sandy Vagina · 12-30-2014, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Throw the defenses in there as a comparison as well.

This would actually hurt your cause, wouldn't it? meaning, worse defense = offense has to do more = will have more production

I don't know.. too lazy to see how good or bad your D was back then..

None of it really matters. Thread is as useless as all the vag bleeding about Smith is.. doesn't matter.. Smith will be your QB until he isn't. Not my decision to make or yours.

Going to be a long, redundant offseason of futile whining...

Prison Bitch · 12-30-2014, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

And the worst defense in football.

That has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, dope.

As for the data, their rating is about the same so they were probably about the same in terms of value.

Pablo · 12-30-2014, 11:59 AM

I see a superior QB playing in a league 12 years ago that wasn't as geared towards offenses.

duncan_idaho · 12-30-2014, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

Some key points when making this comparison:

Many have already mentioned the change in league-wide approach and passing yardage. That's a big factor. It's a much more pass-happy league now than it was then. Trent was 7th in passing yardage with that season. He would have been 15th this season. Big difference. There were 4 4000 yard passers in 2002. There were 11 this year.

But let's talk about YPA. Trent Green averaged 7.85 YPA which is almost a full yard better than Alex Smith this year and WAS THE TOP YPA IN THE LEAGUE. Smith ranked 24th this year with his paltry 7.03 YPA.

Trent Green did this with Eddie Kennison as his top WR and Marc Boerigter as his No. 2 WR, so it's not like he had a premium stable of stallions to throw the ball to, either. (He did, however, have Tony Gonzalez - though Kelce topped Gonzalez in catches, yards, and yards/catch).

dls6501 · 12-30-2014, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

That has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, dope.

As for the data, their rating is about the same so they were probably about the same in terms of value.

Here you go with rating = value = wins again. SMFH.

O.city · 12-30-2014, 12:02 PM

I do wish we had that ol still though.

duncan_idaho · 12-30-2014, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

That has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, dope.

As for the data, their rating is about the same so they were probably about the same in terms of value.

The numbers look similar if you don't compare them to the rest of the league.

Trent Green had the 4th highest QB rating in 2002 with that 92.6. Alex Smith was 13th with 93.4.

Compared to his league, Trent Green's performance was a standout performance. Compared to his league, Alex Smith was mediocre.

MagicHef · 12-30-2014, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ODESSABRONC

Like Tebowites they Smithites use whatever is available at the time.

When KC traded for Alex, I wrote a post about how I would have been more worried about playing KC if they had gotten Tebow rather than Alex.

I stand by that.

Pablo · 12-30-2014, 12:05 PM

Ah, it's inspiring to know that we're just hoping and praying our $17mil/per QB can some day ascend to the level of Trent Green.

I have a feeling he's really going to turn it on in year ten! That's when a lot of young guys finally start to "get it".

In58men · 12-30-2014, 12:08 PM

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Ah, it's inspiring to know that we're just hoping and praying our $17mil/per QB can some day ascend to the level of Trent Green.

I have a feeling he's really going to turn it on in year ten! That's when a lot of young guys finally start to "get it".

The fan base is satisfied with 8-8 type records

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