Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

And the worst defense in football.

That has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, dope.


As for the data, their rating is about the same so they were probably about the same in terms of value.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

That has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, dope.


As for the data, their rating is about the same so they were probably about the same in terms of value.

Here you go with rating = value = wins again. SMFH.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

That has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, dope.


As for the data, their rating is about the same so they were probably about the same in terms of value.

The numbers look similar if you don't compare them to the rest of the league.

Trent Green had the 4th highest QB rating in 2002 with that 92.6. Alex Smith was 13th with 93.4.

Compared to his league, Trent Green's performance was a standout performance. Compared to his league, Alex Smith was mediocre.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The numbers look similar if you don't compare them to the rest of the league.

Trent Green had the 4th highest QB rating in 2002 with that 92.6. Alex Smith was 13th with 93.4.

Compared to his league, Trent Green's performance was a standout performance. Compared to his league, Alex Smith was mediocre.

Now this would be a valid point: comparing them vs the league median.


dls6501: Here you go with rating = value = wins again. SMFH. As you can see above DLS, there was a simple way to challenge my point.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

dls6501: Here you go with rating = value = wins again. SMFH. As you can see above DLS, there was a simple way to challenge my point.

Your point was challenged in the other thread, and you ignored it.

Simply put, Alex's passer rating is an absolute mirage which is inflated by his high completion percentage and lack of throwing interceptions....where as other high passer ratings are due to touchdown passes and other forms of actual production.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Your point was challenged in the other thread, and you ignored it.

Simply put, Alex's passer rating is an absolute mirage which is inflated by his high completion percentage and lack of throwing interceptions....where as other high passer ratings are due to touchdown passes and other forms of actual production.

Alex is 13th in passer rating. He's 23rd in total QBR. Split it down the middle and call him the 18th best QB in the league if you like.

[ODESSABRONC]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Alex is 13th in passer rating. He's 23rd in total QBR. Split it down the middle and call him the 18th best QB in the league if you like.

Which makes him a second tier quarterback at best. The kind that teams generally keep around only until they find one that's better.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by ODESSABRONC

Which makes him a second tier quarterback at best. The kind that teams generally keep around only until they find one that's better.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing that Alex is the 18th best QB in the NFL.

But I will disagree with the idea that the 18th best QB in the NFL is considered a second tier QB. The second tier is for players like Tony Romo and Ben Roethlisberger. The 18th best QB couldnt hold these player's jock straps.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Alex is 13th in passer rating. He's 23rd in total QBR. Split it down the middle and call him the 18th best QB in the league if you like.

I think what that really shows is just how fallacious the quarterback rating statistic really is, which was why they developed QBR in the first place. His rating was high basically because a bunch of short passes inflated his completion percentage. His QBR is probably a more honest representation of his actual value.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think what that really shows is just how fallacious the quarterback rating statistic really is, which was why they developed QBR in the first place. His rating was high basically because a bunch of short passes inflated his completion percentage. His QBR is probably a more honest representation of his actual value.

both are horribly flawed.. and simply a cheap shit way to spin an agenda...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think what that really shows is just how fallacious the quarterback rating statistic really is, which was why they developed QBR in the first place. His rating was high basically because a bunch of short passes inflated his completion percentage. His QBR is probably a more honest representation of his actual value.

Exactly.

QB rating is the most worthless statistic kept in pro football.

According to the NFL, this stat line is a great game:

14/18, 90 yards, 2TD, 0INT.

124.5 rating, in a game where said QB's team lost by 20 points.

The quickest way for me to devalue your football opinions is to use QB rating as an indicator of QB play.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think what that really shows is just how fallacious the quarterback rating statistic really is, which was why they developed QBR in the first place. His rating was high basically because a bunch of short passes inflated his completion percentage. His QBR is probably a more honest representation of his actual value.

I agree with you. I believe Total QBR to be a much better metric. But you have folks like PB, who will use Passer Rating, and I'm sure Smith fans would rather believe they have the 13th best QB as opposed to the 23rd.

If you split the difference at 18th; I think any and everyone can agree that isn't franchise QB material and he's pretty much stealing paychecks relative to his ranking against his piers.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Your point was challenged in the other thread, and you ignored it.

Simply put, Alex's passer rating is an absolute mirage which is inflated by his high completion percentage and lack of throwing interceptions....where as other high passer ratings are due to touchdown passes and other forms of actual production.

I wouldn't exactly call that a "challenge" since research on the topic doesn't distinguish **how** you derive your rating.


If you can find something that does segment it by YPA vs low int %, I'll definitely read it.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

That has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, dope.


As for the data, their rating is about the same so they were probably about the same in terms of value.

No dumbass. I explained this already.

Relative to the rest of the league Trent was a top 10 QB. Alex was bottom 10. Trent's offense carried the team. Alex benefitted from a defense that carried the team. Their value is/was not the same.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

No dumbass. I explained this already.

Relative to the rest of the league Trent was a top 10 QB. Alex was bottom 10.

What rating scale are you using to make this assertion, if I may ask? I believe it was settled on around 18th earlier in this thread. That would make him middle of the pack, not bottom 10. Again, I'm not really all that delighted with Alex Smith as the Chiefs QB. But why do people have to make up stuff to prove the point? If you want to say that he doesn't throw down the field and that he sucks in the 2 minute offense I don't think you would get much argument.