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Old 06-07-2015, 01:04 PM  
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:00 AM   #76
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He didn't go deep to anyone but Vernon. You don't have a leg to stand on.
You just made my argument for me. Especially considering Vernon's stats went WAY up the year after Alex left.

A four-year trend that hasn't changed isn't going to change. Ever. He threw the ball intermediate and deep less than almost anyone in SF, and the same holds true in KC.

Undeniable facts.

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Old 06-08-2015, 01:03 AM   #77
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Hmmmm. Amazing that the Chiefs defense has become so good. Ironic. I told you that was going to happen.
Not good enough.
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Old 06-08-2015, 01:47 AM   #78
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He played like the same QB he has been since 2011.

The same nimrod who was scared to throw down the field then and nothing has changed a bit.
You seem to think that throwing down the field is the only important stat. It isn't, except in fantasy football. Which is appropriate since you live in a fantasy world.
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:01 AM   #79
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People should look into the stats when Smith is leading by 7 or more points...I haven't but think it would be interesting. What I get from him is that he is (obviously) risk avoidance... meaning he's not going to take chances. This is a calculated. It's a smart strategy to a degree but I think he carries it to the extreme. The opposite of this is Cutler..who will make a great deep throw then a crushing INT. Which is better? Even the most ardent Smith hater can acknowledge that the Chiefs haven't had a legit deep threat since he's been here...and he's not going to just chuck it up for grabs. This is the season for me..year 3..with Maclin. I'm curious to see this play out...Smith has been pretty damn good in the playoffs. That 49er's/Saints game was bad ass.
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Old 06-08-2015, 05:10 AM   #80
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Plays like a guy who's afraid of losing his job.
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Old 06-08-2015, 06:08 AM   #81
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I am still waiting for people to list some QBs that have excelled while having bottom 5-10 WR and OL groups. Has anyone ever done so? If so... let's see them. If not? then why not? because they do not exist? Be honest.
Still waiting. If this can not be sufficiently replied to with names, then it means that your entire stance on "excuses" eats the butt. The only replies in the past were of elite QBs like Brady or Rodgers... and whether legit or not, no one ever claims that Smith is on the level of those guys.

Most of the same people criticizing Smith for his gun-shy, average play have also stated at different times that the OL and WRs are not good. Even that the playcalling sucks. So if the OL and WRs are not good, what the hell do you really expect this QB to do?

It's simply irrational thinking.. and seems to be only for CP.
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Old 06-08-2015, 07:43 AM   #82
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You just made my argument for me. Especially considering Vernon's stats went WAY up the year after Alex left.



A four-year trend that hasn't changed isn't going to change. Ever. He threw the ball intermediate and deep less than almost anyone in SF, and the same holds true in KC.



Undeniable facts.



He's herpes anyway, by your own admission, so just deal with it.
Not debating his value as a qb. But post the after stats with Vernon Davis. You are full of shit. He became pretty much irrelevant post Alex as kraepernick had eyes only for Crabtree, and then boldin.
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Old 06-08-2015, 07:53 AM   #83
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Not debating his value as a qb. But post the after stats with Vernon Davis. You are full of shit. He became pretty much irrelevant post Alex as kraepernick had eyes only for Crabtree, and then boldin.
Still waiting on the link to Alex going deep to Davis multiple times a game.
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Old 06-08-2015, 08:51 AM   #84
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Old 06-08-2015, 08:58 AM   #85
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Honestly, who cares how far the ball travels. If he throws a seven yard pass and the wr or whoever runs for another 20 do I actually care if the ball went 27 yards in the air? I do not. As long as Alex can improve on getting KC more TD's who cares about his worthless yards per completion.

TD's matter, stats do not.
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Those clamoring for deep passes then had one or two motives going for them.. maybe both.


They know the OL is shit, and wanted Alex to get physically destroyed.

They are obsessed with the fantasy football, chuck it up Geno style bro! allure of deep passes.
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I'm not expecting him to pass downfield with an improved OL and WR corps.

He just doesn't have it in him. Not enough testicles to let it fly even if the opportunity presents itself.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:39 AM   #88
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Those clamoring for deep passes then had one or two motives going for them.. maybe both.


They know the OL is shit, and wanted Alex to get physically destroyed.

They are obsessed with the fantasy football, chuck it up Geno style bro! allure of deep passes.
Those clamoring for deep passes understand that against good teams with quality defenses - like those you typically must get past to win anything in the playoffs - you have to stretch the field vertically to consistently move the ball offensively.

It's not about fantasy football. It's about opening up the ****ing field and forcing teams to respect your ability to get the ball outside the first 10 yards.

When they don't, defenses can cheat up to take away the run and focus defenders in the short area to smother crossing routes and slants (staples of the WCO).

I want Alex Smith to throw beyond the sticks on third down occasionally and not check down to a guy running a two-yard cross with no chance of getting the first down.

I want Alex Smith to try to open up the field, which means taking chances and occasionally throwing the ball deep even if your receiver does not have two steps on his defender.

It has nothing to do with any of the reasons you stated. It has to do with being a fan of the team, not the QB (who is afraid to throw deep because PICKS!).

These are the types of things those who have grown up with the Chiefs have heard Len Dawson talk about with every QB other than Trent Green.

And these are some of the reasons the coaching staff is now talking about getting Smith to go against his natural (gun-shy) instinct and make the throws he has the physical ability to make... for the third straight ****ing year.
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Basically, what Duncan said.

I don't think anyone reasonably expects him to lead the league in deep passes. But you've got to do it occasionallg, simply to keep defenses honest.

I do believe they have put good wrs and such around him to do it, so at this point, just gotta see it.

It makes windows so much easier in the area he does excel in. I also would imagine even the most ardent detractors here don't really mind a short passing game. It can be pretty damn effective and we've got some pretty damn good skill guys to match it.

But you've gotta hit some chunk olays, especially against good defenses.
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Let me know when Alex leads an offense in the top 10. Hell... let me know when Alex leads an offense in the top 20, lol. Dude plays football like it's a game of keep-away.
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