Alex Fodder

[Sandy Vagina]

Those clamoring for deep passes then had one or two motives going for them.. maybe both.


They know the OL is shit, and wanted Alex to get physically destroyed.

They are obsessed with the fantasy football, chuck it up Geno style bro! allure of deep passes.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Those clamoring for deep passes then had one or two motives going for them.. maybe both.


They know the OL is shit, and wanted Alex to get physically destroyed.

They are obsessed with the fantasy football, chuck it up Geno style bro! allure of deep passes.

Those clamoring for deep passes understand that against good teams with quality defenses - like those you typically must get past to win anything in the playoffs - you have to stretch the field vertically to consistently move the ball offensively.

It's not about fantasy football. It's about opening up the ****ing field and forcing teams to respect your ability to get the ball outside the first 10 yards.

When they don't, defenses can cheat up to take away the run and focus defenders in the short area to smother crossing routes and slants (staples of the WCO).

I want Alex Smith to throw beyond the sticks on third down occasionally and not check down to a guy running a two-yard cross with no chance of getting the first down.

I want Alex Smith to try to open up the field, which means taking chances and occasionally throwing the ball deep even if your receiver does not have two steps on his defender.

It has nothing to do with any of the reasons you stated. It has to do with being a fan of the team, not the QB (who is afraid to throw deep because PICKS!).

These are the types of things those who have grown up with the Chiefs have heard Len Dawson talk about with every QB other than Trent Green.

And these are some of the reasons the coaching staff is now talking about getting Smith to go against his natural (gun-shy) instinct and make the throws he has the physical ability to make... for the third straight ****ing year.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

When they don't, defenses can cheat up to take away the run and focus defenders in the short area to smother crossing routes and slants (staples of the WCO).

Let's start with this.

- For many years, Alex Smith doesn't throw deep very often. We all agree.

- For all of those years, Alex Smith has had poor pass protecting OLs. This is true.

- For the last recent years, Alex Smith has been an effective QB, and is top 5-7 of all QBs in win %. This is true.



So opposing defenses have known for many years now that Smith doesn't throw deep often.. and that his OLs have not been good at pass protection.

Knowing this... how is he still an effective starter in the league and making large bank to this day? He still has his RBs generating good run production also. Why can't opposing defenses reduce him to an ineffective bench player or get him out of the league?


Would his offensive game be more effective with a more frequent and successful deep game? Of course... but that requires a decent pass pro line and receivers that are skilled in the deep game.

Reid should want to start every year preparing his QB to look deep more frequently... but if the OL fails yet again, you can bet he will go right back to heavy usage of the quick pass game.. as he should.



All of the back and forth is horseshit really... The weapons are now in KC... now it all comes down to the pass pro. It shows up, the deeper pass attempts will follow. But not kidding self... this offense will still thrive most on the run game and quick passes for YAC.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

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- For the last recent years, Alex Smith has been an effective QB, and is top 5-7 of all QBs in win %. This is true.
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And this is false over his last 22 games.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Those clamoring for deep passes understand that against good teams with quality defenses - like those you typically must get past to win anything in the playoffs - you have to stretch the field vertically to consistently move the ball offensively.

It's not about fantasy football. It's about opening up the ****ing field and forcing teams to respect your ability to get the ball outside the first 10 yards.

When they don't, defenses can cheat up to take away the run and focus defenders in the short area to smother crossing routes and slants (staples of the WCO).

I want Alex Smith to throw beyond the sticks on third down occasionally and not check down to a guy running a two-yard cross with no chance of getting the first down.

I want Alex Smith to try to open up the field, which means taking chances and occasionally throwing the ball deep even if your receiver does not have two steps on his defender.

It has nothing to do with any of the reasons you stated. It has to do with being a fan of the team, not the QB (who is afraid to throw deep because PICKS!).

These are the types of things those who have grown up with the Chiefs have heard Len Dawson talk about with every QB other than Trent Green.

And these are some of the reasons the coaching staff is now talking about getting Smith to go against his natural (gun-shy) instinct and make the throws he has the physical ability to make... for the third straight ****ing year.

He wasn't gunshy when Donnie Avery was getting open deep in the 2nd half of 2013.

The cool thing about the upcoming season is we have 3 or 4 guys now that have Donnie Avery's ability or better.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Those clamoring for deep passes then had one or two motives going for them.. maybe both.


They know the OL is shit, and wanted Alex to get physically destroyed.

They are obsessed with the fantasy football, chuck it up Geno style bro! allure of deep passes.

Or they wanted the threat of a deep ball to loosen up the defense a little


Edit: I see sensible people already stated this

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Or they wanted the threat of a deep ball to loosen up the defense a little


Edit: I see sensible people already stated this

WRs do this.
Or do teams only draft WRs high in the draft for fun? No you dimwits. It's that consistent mismatch they are looking to acquire at the WR position.



There isn't a shortage of mediocre/bad QBs who chuck it deep.
And those guys really benefited from showing teams they would let it loose. There is a lot of scoring in those QBs lead offenses right? I mean that is a huge part of NFL passing?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

WRs do this.
Or do teams only draft WRs high in the draft for fun? No you dimwits. It's that consistent mismatch they are looking to acquire at the WR position.



There isn't a shortage of mediocre/bad QBs who chuck it deep.
And those guys really benefited from showing teams they would let it loose. There is a lot of scoring in those QBs lead offenses right? I mean that is a huge part of NFL passing?

We have seen shots of WRS running free deep while smith was shitting his pants.

Wrs don't matter is the qb isn't looking. He doesn't want to see it seems sometimes.

This year should tell the tale.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

We have seen shots of WRS running free deep while smith was shitting his pants.

Wrs don't matter is the qb isn't looking. He doesn't want to see it seems sometimes.

This year should tell the tale.

complete exaggeration

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

complete exaggeration

Not at all. There have been many shots of it dude.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

There isn't a shortage of mediocre/bad QBs who chuck it deep.
And those guys really benefited from showing teams they would let it loose. There is a lot of scoring in those QBs lead offenses right? I mean that is a huge part of NFL passing?

Interesting. According to Clay to be a great QB you have to throw it deep a lot, yet the best QBs in the league - Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers - are all middle of the road/average at number of long passes.

And the majority of those who do throw it long a lot, with only a couple of exceptions, are crap QBs.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Interesting. According to Clay to be a great QB you have to throw it deep a lot, yet the best QBs in the league - Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers - are all middle of the road/average at number of long passes.

Manning was near the top of the league with 83 attempts over 20 yards in 2013.

The whole reason Nick Foles had a breakout season, was leading the league in % of deep throws.



Try again, genious.

By the way, you don't have to do it "a lot," but being dead ****ing last isn't a good thing. And that's what we have.

Stop supporting this broken QB.