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Old 11-01-2015, 02:28 PM  
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Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas
Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas

The news is rather surprising given that Thomas is under contract through 2018 -- he has no guaranteed money for 2016 -- and Mack, who was almost lost in free agency to the Jacksonville Jaguars a season ago, has a no-trade clause. Mack -- who was listed by our Marc Sessler as a prime trade candidate earlier this week -- can opt out of his long-term deal after this season, though, which could be a motivating factor.

Still, this is an interesting and rather unorthodox approach to the trade deadline. The team likely feels they can replace Mack with 2015 first-round pick Cam Erving and slot one of their other highly-regarded offensive linemen in for Thomas.

Rapoport added that the team is also open to dealing former high-priced free agent acquisition Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo, the No. 6 overall pick from the 2013 draft. This, after already dealing Trent Richardson, their No. 3 overall pick from the 2012 draft. If you're just now sensing a pattern here, catch up. This is Browns football.

This would be the ultimate white flag raised on the 2015 season considering the Browns were going to hang their hat on the run game. Thomas has been one of the franchise's greatest players and, in a way, a trade to a contending opponent would be bittersweet. On one hand, he could finally put his skills to better use, but on the other, he would be departing a team that hinged on his professionalism for years.

Many of these talks often break down but scars from certain names leaking remain. So if general manager Ray Farmer is interested in getting it done, the clock is ticking. Nov. 3, 4 p.m. ET is coming quite soon.

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Old 11-01-2015, 04:39 PM   #46
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I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Giving Alex Smith great receivers and a great ol is like giving a Lamborghini to Mr. Magoo. It's sad that the only reason people are reluctant to make this trade is they know it's basically putting lipstick on a pig.
We have one of the worst 5 offensive lines in the entire league. But because we have Alex Smith, we shouldn't try to improve it. Great logic bro.
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Old 11-01-2015, 04:41 PM   #47
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Seattle should be all over Mack


trading their center to the Saints just killed them
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Old 11-01-2015, 04:42 PM   #48
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This is all nonsense anyways because we know this team won't make any moves to try and improve now.
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You probably don't understand the concept of diminishing returns, do you.
Adding a very good offensive lineman who can give us 4-5 years of good production is bad. We should stick with our bottom 5 Oline. CP logic.
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We have one of the worst 5 offensive lines in the entire league. But because we have Alex Smith, we shouldn't try to improve it. Great logic bro.
Sadly, we are a team that will change the thing around the problem instead of fixing the problem itself. So if we make big trades to fix the OL for a QB who has no ****ing concept of how to use a better OL, what's the point? If these trades save the job of a guy who is the part of the problem, then what did we solve?
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We have one of the worst 5 offensive lines in the entire league. But because we have Alex Smith, we shouldn't try to improve it. Great logic bro.
Don't expect logic from him


They said the same thing about Maclin and he is better than Bowe with Alex Smith. Now that our Oline has improved a little bit he should be even more productive.


It would be more logical to say "why trade for Jeffery with Andy Reid?"

Reid want's YAC guys to fit his lateral passing game.
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Sadly, we are a team that will change the thing around the problem instead of fixing the problem itself. So if we make big trades to fix the OL for a QB who has no ****ing concept of how to use a better OL, what's the point? If these trades save the job of a guy who is the part of the problem, then what did we solve?
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Smith is more dependent on his offensive line than his skill guys, skill guys still being important.

They need to improve the offensive line for whoever plays qb so I don't understand why that's am issue
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So, it's better to not to try to improve the offense, because.. eff it?
Making trades for 30 year old Olinemen are "win now" strategies that damage your long-term cap. So our strategy is to win now behind Alex Smith as the centerpiece? In a season where we have to literally be perfect to make a playoff run? **** that noise.
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Smith is more dependent on his offensive line than his skill guys, skill guys still being important.

They need to improve the offensive line for whoever plays qb so I don't understand why that's am issue
Smith is indecisive on everything other than the shortest throws. He doesn't see receivers down the deep middle part of the field at all and panics at the first hint of pressure.

He had an elite line in SF with a great TE and RB and all that team did was kick FGs.
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Sadly, we are a team that will change the thing around the problem instead of fixing the problem itself. So if we make big trades to fix the OL for a QB who has no ****ing concept of how to use a better OL, what's the point? If these trades save the job of a guy who is the part of the problem, then what did we solve?
The offensive line has given up 30+ sacks in 8 games. THAT. IS. A. PROBLEM.


Why are people trying to act like the offensive line is good or even average and that it's just Alex bringing them down? This is just idiotic.
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Making trades for 30 year old Olinemen are "win now" strategies that damage your long-term cap. So our strategy is to win now behind Alex Smith as the centerpiece? In a season where we have to literally be perfect to make a playoff run? **** that noise.
He has a very good manageable contract for the next 3 years. So how the hell does it damage our long term cap?
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Smith is more dependent on his offensive line than his skill guys, skill guys still being important.

They need to improve the offensive line for whoever plays qb so I don't understand why that's am issue
The problem with Alex Smith is he's dependent on a running game that will help him control clock, a defense that can close games for him, and now he's also dependent on WRs and OL as well? How many elite players do you have to put around him before you realize he's part of the problem? How do we possibly come up with the payroll to put 21 pro bowlers around him?
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