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[O.city]

Smith is more dependent on his offensive line than his skill guys, skill guys still being important.

They need to improve the offensive line for whoever plays qb so I don't understand why that's am issue

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

Smith is more dependent on his offensive line than his skill guys, skill guys still being important.

They need to improve the offensive line for whoever plays qb so I don't understand why that's am issue

Smith is indecisive on everything other than the shortest throws. He doesn't see receivers down the deep middle part of the field at all and panics at the first hint of pressure.

He had an elite line in SF with a great TE and RB and all that team did was kick FGs.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Smith is indecisive on everything other than the shortest throws. He doesn't see receivers down the deep middle part of the field at all and panics at the first hint of pressure.

He had an elite line in SF with a great TE and RB and all that team did was kick FGs.

I th8nk he's indecisive because of getting hit alot so he starts seeing ghosts not playing with confidence.

Yeah, that line was a mauling group in SF but they didn't pass block near as well, some probably due to Smith's indecisiveness no doubt.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by O.city

I th8nk he's indecisive because of getting hit alot so he starts seeing ghosts not playing with confidence.

Yeah, that line was a mauling group in SF but they didn't pass block near as well, some probably due to Smith's indecisiveness no doubt.

Alex Smith's indecisiveness made that O-Line look worse in pass blocking than they actually were.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by milkman

Alex Smith's indecisiveness made that O-Line look worse in pass blocking than they actually were.

Maybe. But as we've seen since he left, Harbaugh had a different type of gameplan than throwing it very much from a traditional drop back style. That offense was built to grind it out and run the play action game.

I saw a stat a few weeks back that Smith was pressured, in average, the fastest from the snap of any qb in the league.

I'll go ahead and put some of that in him for playing the way he do3s, but when you're getting hit like he has been this year, it's gonna mentally effect people.

Smith isn't a qb that can overcome that stuff, obviously, but as we've seen the last 2 weeks, if the offensive line can protect, we've got some really good skill guys that can get open.

So, I'd like to see what happens if that continues

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by O.city

I th8nk he's indecisive because of getting hit alot so he starts seeing ghosts not playing with confidence.

Yeah, that line was a mauling group in SF but they didn't pass block near as well, some probably due to Smith's indecisiveness no doubt.

team synergy is for everyone but Alex. His status is written in the heavens and the firmament, ever unchanging, ever unchanged. . . . And don't you dare trying improving anything around him in a FUTILE effort to disprove our forefather's and forefathers' forefather's proclamations!!!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Smith is more dependent on his offensive line than his skill guys, skill guys still being important.

They need to improve the offensive line for whoever plays qb so I don't understand why that's am issue

The problem with Alex Smith is he's dependent on a running game that will help him control clock, a defense that can close games for him, and now he's also dependent on WRs and OL as well? How many elite players do you have to put around him before you realize he's part of the problem? How do we possibly come up with the payroll to put 21 pro bowlers around him?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The problem with Alex Smith is he's dependent on a running game that will help him control clock, a defense that can close games for him, and now he's also dependent on WRs and OL as well? How many elite players do you have to put around him before you realize he's part of the problem? How do we possibly come up with the payroll to put 21 pro bowlers around him?

Exactly this. Can't say this any better.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The problem with Alex Smith is he's dependent on a running game that will help him control clock, a defense that can close games for him, and now he's also dependent on WRs and OL as well? How many elite players do you have to put around him before you realize he's part of the problem? How do we possibly come up with the payroll to put 21 pro bowlers around him?

Has anybody said Alex Smith isn't part of the problem? Quote please?

And no one has said that every player has to be a probowler. But improving one of the worst units in professional football is a smart thing to do.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by -King-

Has anybody said Alex Smith isn't part of the problem? Quote please?

And no one has said that every player has to be a probowler. But improving one of the worst units in professional football is a smart thing to do.

Look, I'm mostly with you if our plan was to build around a future QB. Or if I felt the changes will fix the QB itself. But we've been through this drill a million times before. We know that fixing around the problem will only lead to unending loyalty to the problem. And most of us know our QB well enough to know he's limiting the OL and WR just as much as they are limiting him.

So yeah, if this is part of a LT plan to change the plumbing, great. But if it's just putting bandaids on leaking pipes, I want no part of it.