Charles to the Patriots?

[King_Chief_Fan]

http://beantownbeattomdarcy.sportsbl...n-a-trade.html

what is Charles worth?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

Not when he's a RB.

Exactly

[jd1020]

I would argue that when your passing offense ranks as one of the worst in the league year in and year out the RB becomes pretty important, though Ware and West proved to be pretty good.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

So now we're starting threads based on opinions from random fans of other teams?

If other sites follow suit, it will only be a matter of time before there are dozens of threads on dumb****.com based on the opinions of BEP.

Get this stupid shit out of here.

Hey at least it's a football thread. We could have more gems like "hands free orgasms, one of my balls is bigger than the other" and shit like that.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think to describe Charles as a slasher and cutting is off the mark.

His game is about speed and burst, though he does have a little more power than he's given credit for.

He doesn't make people miss.
He finds a seam and hits it.

This here. He will run around you but he isnt shy to run over you.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Yea 2013 was his last year of truly ELITE production

2016 - 2013 = 3

entering 3rd year since his last elite season.

2014 was hardly elite production, you don't get that season, Chris Ivory put up those stats this year for goodness sake. And by missed a couple games you mean he missed 1 lol

Bro, he's put up elite production by at least one major statistical metric in every season since he took over the starting job in 2009. Over the last 9 games of the 2009 season (in which he started) he led the league in rushing yards, he had the 6.4 YPC in 2010, second in rushing yards in 2012, led the league in TDs in 2013, third in TDs in 2014 and, IIRC, was either leading the league or second place in TDs again this past season before injury.

I mean, I'm a Jamaal fanboy and everything but **** me. You're seriously underselling his contributions here.

He had 2 carries in the Broncos game week 2 of 2014 before he had the high ankle sprain then missed the next week at Miami. For all intents and purposes, he missed 2 games that season. 14 games, 14 TDs. That's elite production.

Hell, the dude's averaging damn near a TD per game over his last FOURTY games. That's crazy good.

[ThaVirus]

And Chris Ivory has never even had a single season with double digit TDs, sooooooooo no.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

If New England gives them a 2nd rounder for Charles, I think you've got to take it.

I don't think it will happen but yeah, duh.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Bro, he's put up elite production by at least one major statistical metric in every season since he took over the starting job in 2009. Over the last 9 games of the 2009 season (in which he started) he led the league in rushing yards, he had the 6.4 YPC in 2010, second in rushing yards in 2012, led the league in TDs in 2013, third in TDs in 2014 and, IIRC, was either leading the league or second place in TDs again this past season before injury.

I mean, I'm a Jamaal fanboy and everything but **** me. You're seriously underselling his contributions here.

He had 2 carries in the Broncos game week 2 of 2014 before he had the high ankle sprain then missed the next week at Miami. For all intents and purposes, he missed 2 games that season. 14 games, 14 TDs. That's elite production.

Hell, the dude's averaging damn near a TD per game over his last FOURTY games. That's crazy good.

Who cares?

It's a "What have you done for me lately?" league and Charles never led his team to a playoff victory, let alone, a Super Bowl.

The Chiefs won 11 games and a playoff game without him.

Chill.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Who cares?

It's a "What have you done for me lately?" league and Charles never led his team to a playoff victory, let alone, a Super Bowl.

The Chiefs won 11 games and a playoff game without him.

Chill.

You're the master of arguing points I never even made.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Bro, he's put up elite production by at least one major statistical metric in every season since he took over the starting job in 2009. Over the last 9 games of the 2009 season (in which he started) he led the league in rushing yards, he had the 6.4 YPC in 2010, second in rushing yards in 2012, led the league in TDs in 2013, third in TDs in 2014 and, IIRC, was either leading the league or second place in TDs again this past season before injury.

I mean, I'm a Jamaal fanboy and everything but **** me. You're seriously underselling his contributions here.

He had 2 carries in the Broncos game week 2 of 2014 before he had the high ankle sprain then missed the next week at Miami. For all intents and purposes, he missed 2 games that season. 14 games, 14 TDs. That's elite production.

Hell, the dude's averaging damn near a TD per game over his last FOURTY games. That's crazy good.

I already said you get his 3 elite years: 2010, 2012, 2013.

No other year was ELITE 2nd MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER ON THIS TEAM TYPE PRODUCTION

you don't get 2014. I'm sorry but 206 carries 1033 yards and 9 touchdowns is not 'elite.' Handful of RBs do that every season, and yes, Chris Ivory just did that exact season in 2015 (he had 247 carries 1070 yards and 7 touchdowns) Which proves it's a dime a dozen RB production, not elite. You want to add in Charles's receiving touchdowns which gives him 14 total that's fine, but you're really arguing because he finds the endzone he's elite. I don't really buy that, touchdowns are flukey.

But here's where you lose since you add his total touchdowns to his "elite production" argument.

2015: 232 carries 1037 yards 12 touchdowns

THAT'S SPENCER WARE AND CHARCANDRICK WEST PRODUCTION IN WAY LESS THAN GAMES. So if you're arguing that 2014 was elite production for Charles well then West and Ware just did that exactly in 2015, so really there is zero drop off in elite production, which further proves why Charles is not that important.

You're "ELITE" Charles production is LITERALLY +2 touchdowns from what West and Ware can do. That's not what I consider most important at all. When I think most important I think of going from 15-20 sack Justin Houston to less than 10 sack Dee Ford+Tamba Hali or 1000 yards Jeremy Maclin to whatever the hell Rod Streater, Albert Wilson and Chris Conley can scrum up together.

or Travis Kelce's 900 yards from the TE spot to who the hell knows what's behind him.

or Marcus Peters 8 ints to what in the world would be our LCB if he went down?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Bro, he's put up elite production by at least one major statistical metric in every season
Hell, the dude's averaging damn near a TD per game over his last FOURTY games. That's crazy good.

Priest has double the TD's. Charles best year was 12, Holmes 27.

Priest had a 21 TD season, too.

Stop with the fanboy nonsense.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

I already said you get his 3 elite years: 2010, 2012, 2013.

No other year was ELITE 2nd MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER ON THIS TEAM TYPE PRODUCTION

you don't get 2014. I'm sorry but 206 carries 1033 yards and 9 touchdowns is not 'elite.' Handful of RBs do that every season, and yes, Chris Ivory just did that exact season in 2015 (he had 247 carries 1070 yards and 7 touchdowns) Which proves it's a dime a dozen RB production, not elite. You want to add in Charles's receiving touchdowns which gives him 14 total that's fine, but you're really arguing because he finds the endzone he's elite. I don't really buy that, touchdowns are flukey.

But here's where you lose since you add his total touchdowns to his "elite production" argument.

2015: 232 carries 1037 yards 12 touchdowns

THAT'S SPENCER WARE AND CHARCANDRICK WEST PRODUCTION IN WAY LESS THAN GAMES. So if you're arguing that 2014 was elite production for Charles well then West and Ware just did that exactly in 2015, so really there is zero drop off in elite production, which further proves why Charles is not that important.

You're "ELITE" Charles production is LITERALLY +2 touchdowns from what West and Ware can do. That's not what I consider most important at all. When I think most important I think of going from 15-20 sack Justin Houston to less than 10 sack Dee Ford+Tamba Hali or 1000 yards Jeremy Maclin to whatever the hell Rod Streater, Albert Wilson and Chris Conley can scrum up together.

or Travis Kelce's 900 yards from the TE spot to who the hell knows what's behind him.

or Marcus Peters 8 ints to what in the world would be our LCB if he went down?

Of course I'm going to add in his receiving totals. The ****? Do receiving TDs count for less than rushing TDs?

Ivory's 2015 season isn't nearly as comparable to Jamaal's 2014 as you're making it seem. It took him 40 more carries to get 40 more yards and he still ended up with like 7 less TDs on the year.

Oh, and you're doing the exact same shit Dane is by the way. I never argued that JC was the most important player on our team. I just said he's the best, meaning no one performs their position's duties as well as he does, except maybe Houston.

Ware and West contributed similar production when Charles went down but it generally took them a lot more carries to do so while also facing inferior competition. Neither Ware nor West give you nearly the bang for the buck that Charles does.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Priest has double the TD's. Charles best year was 12, Holmes 27.

Priest had a 21 TD season, too.

Stop with the fanboy nonsense.

Would have love to seen Charles with that offense!

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Priest has double the TD's. Charles best year was 12, Holmes 27.

Priest had a 21 TD season, too.

Stop with the fanboy nonsense.

And Priest was ****ing incredible during that 3-year stretch. You're being disingenuous anyway. Charles' best season was 19 TDs (in only 15 games, by the way).

But it doesn't matter once again. You're arguing a totally separate point.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Of course I'm going to add in his receiving totals. The ****? Do receiving TDs count for less than rushing TDs?

Ivory's 2015 season isn't nearly as comparable to Jamaal's 2014 as you're making it seem. It took him 40 more carries to get 40 more yards and he still ended up with like 7 less TDs on the year.

Oh, and you're doing the exact same shit Dane is by the way. I never argued that JC was the most important player on our team. I just said he's the best, meaning no one performs their position's duties as well as he does, except maybe Houston.

Ware and West contributed similar production when Charles went down but it generally took them a lot more carries to do so while also facing inferior competition. Neither Ware nor West give you nearly the bang for the buck that Charles does.

I literally just proved to you that Ware and West did Charles "elite" 2014 production in less games and youre counter was they take more carries to do it? What?