Chiefs I really like our corners right now. - Page 11

Direckshun · 09-29-2016, 07:04 AM

I realize I'm probably going to regret saying this as Big Ben can legitimately carve up even elite secondaries, but two guys have me super impressed, aside from the usual amazing Marcus Peters:

Phillip Gaines. He's got some technique to clean up on, but he's started this season against Hopkins/Fuller and Marshall/Decker (we'll ignore the Chargers, since Keenan Allen was beating the shit out of Peters Week 1) and held his own. These WRs are more savvy than him right now but I'm getting flashbacks to when we started Brandon Carr for his rookie year -- he'll only get better as he gets more experience. His recovery speed is awesome, and he's almost always in the receiver's pocket.

Steven Nelson. What a shock to the system this guy has been -- the staff has handled him absolutely perfectly. Redshirting him last year was just the perfect thing to do, because his versatility in the secondary this year is invaluable. He's playing 100% of the snaps because we can put him on the outside and in the slot, shifting him all over the place on every drive. While, for now, we also play him a lot on special teams. Nelson has challenged everything, and seems to have the superior technique over Gaines. Nelson is also incredibly demonstrative and energetic on the field -- a perfect pairing with Peters, and that is turning out to be a 3rd rounder well spent.

DJ White, also. We have to talk about this kid. He's played like 12 defensive snaps for us so far this year and has made plays on roughly half of them. Like Nelson, he is an incredible competitor and so energetic on the field. His play against the Chargers (on his one snap!) was around the time the defense woke up. I love this kid, I think he's a pistol and he should definitely be in the rotation in dime packages over Sorensen.

The Russell thing still makes no sense to me, but it's really regretful that he didn't wake the **** up because having yet another young corner who can play would have really bulked up this secondary.

My favorite thing about this secondary is my favorite thing about our offensive line, our defensive line, our receivers, and our passrush: barring any tragic injuries, they're going to be so much better in Week 17 than they are now. They'll learn with our great coaching staff, they'll develop with playing time, and they'll gel better as a unit and as Sutton figures out where all the pieces fit.

If we can at least limp into the playoffs with a fully healthy Houston in January, we can hang with absolutely AFC team -- except perhaps the Pats, who seem to have successfully hacked the game of football.

That's our ceiling, though. Pretty exciting.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-29-2016, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I don't know which Mod changed the forum name to Overreaction Planet, but threads like these are a good indicator of why they would.

And I say this because Staylor is definitely this board's biggest homer at this point. I like him for it as much as I like Clay keeping everyone honest on the deficiencies of this team.

OTOH, Detox I believe is still reeling a bit from that missed tackle against Houston and doesn't want to let it go.

The fact is, Gaines is right in the middle of the argument between these two that everyone else has been trying articulate, that nobody hears because those two are going back and forth so much.

Overreaction Lounge.

staylor26 · 09-29-2016, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

So....you quoted me but never answered my question.

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Useless stat my ass, its looking like staylor is right... you dont want an honest debate, you've simply chosen your stance and arent going to give an inch no matter whats presented to you

The irony of you saying that. You haven't once acknowledged anything I say and continue to just call me a homer and ignore everything that goes against your argument. You're a ****ing waste of time in a debate, and you act like a child incapable of a real rebuttal.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

And I say this because Staylor is definitely this board's biggest homer at this point. I like him for it as much as I like Clay keeping everyone honest on the deficiencies of this team.

OTOH, Detox I believe is still reeling a bit from that missed tackle against Houston and doesn't want to let it go.

The fact is, Gaines is right in the middle of the argument between these two that everyone else has been trying articulate, that nobody hears because those two are going back and forth so much.

Overreaction Lounge.

No, my concern arose from the Chargers game. To be fair to Gaines, everyone was missing tackles that game.

I made a comment that i want to see our corners tackle better and i immediately got jumped because how dare i not wear my Chiefs tinted glasses.

I bring up the Houston game because i find it ironic that my concerns were proven justified.

But of course Staylor is too much of a bitch to accept that my concerns are valid, so here we are.

staylor26 · 09-29-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

And I say this because Staylor is definitely this board's biggest homer at this point. I like him for it as much as I like Clay keeping everyone honest on the deficiencies of this team.

OTOH, Detox I believe is still reeling a bit from that missed tackle against Houston and doesn't want to let it go.

The fact is, Gaines is right in the middle of the argument between these two that everyone else has been trying articulate, that nobody hears because those two are going back and forth so much.

Overreaction Lounge.

I'm the boards biggest homer, yet there were plenty people with bolder predictions than myself for this season.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-29-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

No, my concern arose from the Chargers game. To be fair to Gaines, everyone was missing tackles that game.

I made a comment that i want to see our corners tackle better and i immediately got jumped because how dare i not wear my Chiefs tinted glasses.

I bring up the Houston game because i find it ironic that my concerns were proven justified.

But of course Staylor is too much of a bitch to accept that my concerns are valid, so here we are.

I guess I missed all that. I'm just going off of what I've seen lately in the last few days.

O.city · 09-29-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

O.city is on your side now. The second he realized he was on the same side of the argument with me, he slowly went to your side and started rationalizing it. He's a contrarian.

I don't know why though. He's always wrong when he goes against me. His HUGE concern for our inexperience at the corner position is yet ANOTHER example.

Hey O.City, you can continue to be a contrarian if you want to, but I OWN you and YOU know it.

Lol. Get help man.

I'm not sure how I've agreed with detox here, but cool either way.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-29-2016, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I'm the boards biggest homer, yet there were plenty people with bolder predictions than myself for this season.

You act like that's some kind of insult. I think it's a compliment personally. I wish I was the board's biggest homer. You think KnowMo gives a **** about anything when he reads up and watches football? No. He's convinced the Broncos are the best team on Earth and they're not. **** their Super Bowl. They're lucky as ****, but you couldn't convince him. I used too be that way. Wish I still was.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

The fact is, Gaines is right in the middle of the argument between these two that everyone else has been trying articulate, that nobody hears because those two are going back and forth so much.

And i think i've been very fair regarding Gaines. I've noted his speed, quickness, and his ability to stick to a receiver. I have NO ISSUE declaring positive traits.

I also have no issue declaring negative traits, which Staylor can't stand to hear.

I simply hate the way certain posters act as if tackling isn't important for corners. It absolutely ****ing is, as demonstrated by the Houston game, and certain plays in the SD game.

And no, i am not referring to the Travis Benjamin play that Staylor keeps harping about.

I don't give a shit about that play and that play was never the reason i called out Gaines for his tackling. I attacked that play only when ****nuts thought it was worthy of praise.

My railing against Gaines in that SD games had nothing to do with that T. Benjamin play.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I guess I missed all that. I'm just going off of what I've seen lately in the last few days.

No, this started week 1 after that atrocious shit show for 3 quarters.

But you know, everything is all peachy according to Staylor.

Hammock Parties · 09-29-2016, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

And I say this because Staylor is definitely this board's biggest homer at this point. I like him for it as much as I like Clay keeping everyone honest on the deficiencies of this team.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Lol. Get help man.

I'm not sure how I've agreed with detox here, but cool either way.

You insult me and then he claims you're on my side....

mmm...hmmm...

staylor26 · 09-29-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

You act like that's some kind of insult. I think it's a compliment personally. I wish I was the board's biggest homer. You think KnowMo gives a **** about anything when he reads up and watches football? No. He's convinced the Broncos are the best team on Earth and they're not. **** their Super Bowl. They're lucky as ****, but you couldn't convince him. I used too be that way. Wish I still was.

I'm much more capable of being critical than KnowMo. I just don't have ridiculous expectations, so I haven't been disappointed with this regime yet. When I am, believe me, everybody will know .

If I were KnowMo, I'd be hyping up Tyler Bray, for example.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-29-2016, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

And i think i've been very fair regarding Gaines. I've noted his speed, quickness, and his ability to stick to a receiver. I have NO ISSUE declaring positive traits.

I also have no issue declaring negative traits, which Staylor can't stand to hear.

I simply hate the way certain posters act as if tackling isn't important for corners. It absolutely ****ing is, as demonstrated by the Houston game, and certain plays in the SD game.

And no, i am not referring to the Travis Benjamin play that Staylor keeps harping about.

I don't give a shit about that play and that play was never the reason i called out Gaines for his tackling. I attacked that play only when ****nuts thought it was worthy of praise.

My railing against Gaines in that SD games had nothing to do with that T. Benjamin play.

The reason I think you're being too hard on him is because of his age and actual game experience. He's raw IMO. That's natural. That's all I'm saying.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

The irony of you saying that. You haven't once acknowledged anything I say and continue to just call me a homer and ignore everything that goes against your argument. You're a ****ing waste of time in a debate, and you act like a child incapable of a real rebuttal.

I've acknowledged everything you said. Maybe you just didn't get the response you were hoping for.

**Easy 6** · 09-29-2016, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

It's useless because Tackles made is not indicative of tackles missed, AND your tackles made stat includes assists....which again, clouds your stat.

You could also manipulate that stat to suggest that Gaines has surrendered those passes in coverage, hence his tackle number. See how that works?

Using that tackle number, one could suggest that GoChiefs is RIGHT and that his coverage has been subpar as PFF suggests.

"He cant tackle for shit"

It says here he is in the top third of the league for tackles at his position

"Oh well thats just because he is always getting beat, or some other such nonsense"

Whatever, think what you need to think... I dont have the patience for this kinda thing anymore

09-29-2016, 07:04 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I really like our corners right now. I realize I'm probably going to regret saying this as Big Ben can legitimately carve up even elite secondaries, but two guys have me super impressed, aside from the usual amazing Marcus Peters: Phillip Gaines. He's got some technique to clean up on, but he's started this season against Hopkins/Fuller and Marshall/Decker (we'll ignore the Chargers, since Keenan Allen was beating the shit out of Peters Week 1) and held his own. These WRs are more savvy than him right now but I'm getting flashbacks to when we started Brandon Carr for his rookie year -- he'll only get better as he gets more experience. His recovery speed is awesome, and he's almost always in the receiver's pocket. Steven Nelson. What a shock to the system this guy has been -- the staff has handled him absolutely perfectly. Redshirting him last year was just the perfect thing to do, because his versatility in the secondary this year is invaluable. He's playing 100% of the snaps because we can put him on the outside and in the slot, shifting him all over the place on every drive. While, for now, we also play him a lot on special teams. Nelson has challenged everything, and seems to have the superior technique over Gaines. Nelson is also incredibly demonstrative and energetic on the field -- a perfect pairing with Peters, and that is turning out to be a 3rd rounder well spent. DJ White, also. We have to talk about this kid. He's played like 12 defensive snaps for us so far this year and has made plays on roughly half of them. Like Nelson, he is an incredible competitor and so energetic on the field. His play against the Chargers (on his one snap!) was around the time the defense woke up. I love this kid, I think he's a pistol and he should definitely be in the rotation in dime packages over Sorensen. The Russell thing still makes no sense to me, but it's really regretful that he didn't wake the **** up because having yet another young corner who can play would have really bulked up this secondary. My favorite thing about this secondary is my favorite thing about our offensive line, our defensive line, our receivers, and our passrush: barring any tragic injuries, they're going to be so much better in Week 17 than they are now. They'll learn with our great coaching staff, they'll develop with playing time, and they'll gel better as a unit and as Sutton figures out where all the pieces fit. If we can at least limp into the playoffs with a fully healthy Houston in January, we can hang with absolutely AFC team -- except perhaps the Pats, who seem to have successfully hacked the game of football. That's our ceiling, though. Pretty exciting.
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