Chiefs I really like our corners right now. - Page 10

Direckshun · 09-29-2016, 07:04 AM

I realize I'm probably going to regret saying this as Big Ben can legitimately carve up even elite secondaries, but two guys have me super impressed, aside from the usual amazing Marcus Peters:

Phillip Gaines. He's got some technique to clean up on, but he's started this season against Hopkins/Fuller and Marshall/Decker (we'll ignore the Chargers, since Keenan Allen was beating the shit out of Peters Week 1) and held his own. These WRs are more savvy than him right now but I'm getting flashbacks to when we started Brandon Carr for his rookie year -- he'll only get better as he gets more experience. His recovery speed is awesome, and he's almost always in the receiver's pocket.

Steven Nelson. What a shock to the system this guy has been -- the staff has handled him absolutely perfectly. Redshirting him last year was just the perfect thing to do, because his versatility in the secondary this year is invaluable. He's playing 100% of the snaps because we can put him on the outside and in the slot, shifting him all over the place on every drive. While, for now, we also play him a lot on special teams. Nelson has challenged everything, and seems to have the superior technique over Gaines. Nelson is also incredibly demonstrative and energetic on the field -- a perfect pairing with Peters, and that is turning out to be a 3rd rounder well spent.

DJ White, also. We have to talk about this kid. He's played like 12 defensive snaps for us so far this year and has made plays on roughly half of them. Like Nelson, he is an incredible competitor and so energetic on the field. His play against the Chargers (on his one snap!) was around the time the defense woke up. I love this kid, I think he's a pistol and he should definitely be in the rotation in dime packages over Sorensen.

The Russell thing still makes no sense to me, but it's really regretful that he didn't wake the **** up because having yet another young corner who can play would have really bulked up this secondary.

My favorite thing about this secondary is my favorite thing about our offensive line, our defensive line, our receivers, and our passrush: barring any tragic injuries, they're going to be so much better in Week 17 than they are now. They'll learn with our great coaching staff, they'll develop with playing time, and they'll gel better as a unit and as Sutton figures out where all the pieces fit.

If we can at least limp into the playoffs with a fully healthy Houston in January, we can hang with absolutely AFC team -- except perhaps the Pats, who seem to have successfully hacked the game of football.

That's our ceiling, though. Pretty exciting.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Sean Smith has been worse than Gaines so far this year. I'm not trying to hype Gaines up with that statement, it's just the truth. Why are you so oblivious to this. Do you not watch football outside of KC? Get a clue man.

I don't give a **** what he's done in Oakland. He's packed it after getting his paycheck for all i care. Im talking about the way he played HERE, in KC. Not that shit hole where players go to die.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe it means he's good in run support and you don't know your ass from you elbow?

staylor told me that so I'm not sure.

But what about the eye test? hrmm? Staylor told me that counts more than stats.

O.city · 09-29-2016, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

But what about the eye test? hrmm? Staylor told me that counts more than stats.

I'm going with you don't know shit, I've always suspected it, this is my comeuppance.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Yea looking at the stats (NFL.com), Gaines has 16 tackles. There's no way he's missed even close to that many.

.

Huh?

What are you even....?

"losing more than winning" does not mean he'd have higher missed tackle number than tackles. Is that what you're trying to get at here?

I mean, has anyone EVER had more missed tackles than made?

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'm going with you don't know shit, I've always suspected it, this is my comeuppance.

And im going to go with "**** you" how about that?

O.city · 09-29-2016, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

And im going to go with "**** you" how about that?

Thats completely your decision man. I respect it. always. ps, love o.city.

staylor26 · 09-29-2016, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Oh...NOW YOU LIKE STATS?

What a bitch....

You're saying he's a terrible tackler,. He's made 16, and missed less than a handful. It's common sense.

I never said I don't like stats. I said PFF is worthless and Clay "cherry picks stats". There's a difference. If you actually read what I say, I wouldn't have to explain myself over and over.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:24 PM

So Staylor and O-city, when i said in week 1, that his poor tackling is a cause for concern, and then the following week his poor tackling resulted in a game winning drive for Houston, what's your excuse for that?

Just gonna blame DJ for a wide open missed tackle? Is it that ****ing difficult to hold a player accountable?

staylor26 · 09-29-2016, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Huh?

What are you even....?

"losing more than winning" does not mean he'd have higher missed tackle number than tackles. Is that what you're trying to get at here?

I mean, has anyone EVER had more missed tackles than made?

I said nowhere even close.

As in he's missed about 3-4, and made 16. That is adequate tackling from a corner. The way you talk about him, you'd actually think he did miss as many as he makes. That's my point.

**Easy 6** · 09-29-2016, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Useless stat. What does that mean exactly? DB's aren't suppose to be high on tackles, that generally means they're letting guys get open. Are you saying Revis isn't letting guys open as often as Gaines?

Useless stat my ass, its looking like staylor is right... you dont want an honest debate, you've simply chosen your stance and arent going to give an inch no matter whats presented to you

staylor26 · 09-29-2016, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

So Staylor and O-city, when i said in week 1, that his poor tackling is a cause for concern, and then the following week his poor tackling resulted in a game winning drive for Houston, what's your excuse for that?

Just gonna blame DJ for a wide open missed tackle? Is it that ****ing difficult to hold a player accountable?

O.city is on your side now. The second he realized he was on the same side of the argument with me, he slowly went to your side and started rationalizing it. He's a contrarian.

I don't know why though. He's always wrong when he goes against me. His HUGE concern for our inexperience at the corner position is yet ANOTHER example.

Hey O.City, you can continue to be a contrarian if you want to, but I OWN you and YOU know it.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Useless stat my ass, its looking like staylor is right... you dont want an honest debate, you've simply chosen your stance and arent going to give an inch no matter whats presented to you

It's useless because Tackles made is not indicative of tackles missed, AND your tackles made stat includes assists....which again, clouds your stat.

You could also manipulate that stat to suggest that Gaines has surrendered those passes in coverage, hence his tackle number. See how that works?

Using that tackle number, one could suggest that GoChiefs is RIGHT and that his coverage has been subpar as PFF suggests.

Hammock Parties · 09-29-2016, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I OWN you and YOU know it.

ToxSocks · 09-29-2016, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

O.city is on your side now. The second he realized he was on the same side of the argument with me, he slowly went to your side and started rationalizing it. He's a contrarian.

I don't know why though. He's always wrong when he goes against me. His HUGE concern for our inexperience at the corner position is yet ANOTHER example.

Hey O.City, you can continue to be a contrarian if you want to, but I OWN you and YOU know it.

So....you quoted me but never answered my question.

staylor26 · 09-29-2016, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11

It's true, just ask him.

"Cut Jeff Allen"- Allen goes on to be our best OL in 2015.
"Jonathan Cooper turned the corner last year"- He got benched
"Conley sucks"- looks like he could be a solid #2
"Our corners inexperience is SCARY"- young corners have played extremely well despite lack of elite pass rush.

09-29-2016, 07:04 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I really like our corners right now. I realize I'm probably going to regret saying this as Big Ben can legitimately carve up even elite secondaries, but two guys have me super impressed, aside from the usual amazing Marcus Peters: Phillip Gaines. He's got some technique to clean up on, but he's started this season against Hopkins/Fuller and Marshall/Decker (we'll ignore the Chargers, since Keenan Allen was beating the shit out of Peters Week 1) and held his own. These WRs are more savvy than him right now but I'm getting flashbacks to when we started Brandon Carr for his rookie year -- he'll only get better as he gets more experience. His recovery speed is awesome, and he's almost always in the receiver's pocket. Steven Nelson. What a shock to the system this guy has been -- the staff has handled him absolutely perfectly. Redshirting him last year was just the perfect thing to do, because his versatility in the secondary this year is invaluable. He's playing 100% of the snaps because we can put him on the outside and in the slot, shifting him all over the place on every drive. While, for now, we also play him a lot on special teams. Nelson has challenged everything, and seems to have the superior technique over Gaines. Nelson is also incredibly demonstrative and energetic on the field -- a perfect pairing with Peters, and that is turning out to be a 3rd rounder well spent. DJ White, also. We have to talk about this kid. He's played like 12 defensive snaps for us so far this year and has made plays on roughly half of them. Like Nelson, he is an incredible competitor and so energetic on the field. His play against the Chargers (on his one snap!) was around the time the defense woke up. I love this kid, I think he's a pistol and he should definitely be in the rotation in dime packages over Sorensen. The Russell thing still makes no sense to me, but it's really regretful that he didn't wake the **** up because having yet another young corner who can play would have really bulked up this secondary. My favorite thing about this secondary is my favorite thing about our offensive line, our defensive line, our receivers, and our passrush: barring any tragic injuries, they're going to be so much better in Week 17 than they are now. They'll learn with our great coaching staff, they'll develop with playing time, and they'll gel better as a unit and as Sutton figures out where all the pieces fit. If we can at least limp into the playoffs with a fully healthy Houston in January, we can hang with absolutely AFC team -- except perhaps the Pats, who seem to have successfully hacked the game of football. That's our ceiling, though. Pretty exciting.
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