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Old 08-30-2017, 11:49 AM  
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Browns Trade OL Cam Erving To Chiefs
For a 2018 5th Round pick.
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Old 08-31-2017, 06:56 AM   #346
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I will take talent working with outstanding coaching every time over a loser franchise that is so bad it receives empathy from it's own division rivals.
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Old 08-31-2017, 06:56 AM   #347
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Let's see here. What has this Browns new management done?

-thought Carson Wentz was a shit QB and wouldn't draft him.
-let Alex Mack go
-let Mitchell Schwartz go
-let Terrell Pryor go

They don't exactly have smart people there...
They are also idiots for not drafting Ruben Foster at 29.
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Old 08-31-2017, 08:15 AM   #348
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Uhhhhh no.

Landon Collins slipped because someone put out a video of him gas masking it
and an OLineman but man u were so close
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:15 AM   #349
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They are also idiots for not drafting Ruben Foster at 29.
I don't think the browns approach is wrong. I wonder if it's a little arrogant. It's almost like they're trying to prove moneyball works by passing on highly touted prospects. They're not just trading high priced veterans. They're also giving away cheap ones, repeatedly trading down in the first round, and passing up on highly ranked prospects.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:19 AM   #350
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I It's almost like they're trying to prove moneyball works by passing on highly touted prospects
The Browns are NOT employing "Moneyball".

NFL teams have to spend within 99% of the Cap Limit over a 4 year period. Baseball has no such rule.

The Browns are NOT going out and getting guys on the cheap, they're loading up on draft picks in order to select the best player that fits there system that's available.

They have SIX picks in the Top 100 in 2018 and they'll probably continue to stockpile talent and move around in the draft.

It won't be very long until they're a contender year in and year out.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:37 AM   #351
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The Browns are NOT employing "Moneyball".

NFL teams have to spend within 99% of the Cap Limit over a 4 year period. Baseball has no such rule.

The Browns are NOT going out and getting guys on the cheap, they're loading up on draft picks in order to select the best player that fits there system that's available.

They have SIX picks in the Top 100 in 2018 and they'll probably continue to stockpile talent and move around in the draft.

It won't be very long until they're a contender year in and year out.
I guess it depends on how you look at it.

I would give up every pick they made last year for their original 2nd overall to pick Carson Wentz.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:38 AM   #352
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I guess it depends on how you look at it.

I would give up every pick they made last year for their original 2nd overall to pick Carson Wentz.
Carson Wentz over Garrett, Njoku, Peppers and Kizer?

No thanks.
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Carson Wentz over Garrett, Njoku, Peppers and Kizer?

No thanks.
Garrett was from them sucking. He wasn't a traded pick. I'm talking about the 2016 draft.

Carson Wentz or...

Corey Coleman
Emmanuel Ogbah
Carl Nassib
Shin Coleman
Cody Kessler
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Ricardo Louis
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:46 AM   #355
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I guess it depends on how you look at it.

I would give up every pick they made last year for their original 2nd overall to pick Carson Wentz.
I don't blame them for passing over Wentz. While he was my favorite and IMO, far more advanced than Jared Goff, he was coming from a small school.

Plus, they clearly had a vision of what the team would look like in the following 3 years, as well as the draft, so they didn't need to force the pick.

Their 2016 draft turned out pretty well, they added a nice piece in Jamie Collins and by all accounts, Myles Garrett is for real.

AND they have two 1st's, two 2nd's and two 3rd's in the 2018 draft.
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Garrett was from them sucking. He wasn't a traded pick. I'm talking about the 2016 draft.

Carson Wentz or...

Corey Coleman
Emmanuel Ogbah
Carl Nassib
Shin Coleman
Cody Kessler
Joe Schobert
Ricardo Louis
Etc
That makes more sense. Yeah.....I'd trade all that garbage for Wentz.
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Am I the only one that's not a big fan of Wentz?
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I don't blame them for passing over Wentz. While he was my favorite and IMO, far more advanced than Jared Goff, he was coming from a small school.

Plus, they clearly had a vision of what the team would look like in the following 3 years, as well as the draft, so they didn't need to force the pick.

Their 2016 draft turned out pretty well, they added a nice piece in Jamie Collins and by all accounts, Myles Garrett is for real.

AND they have two 1st's, two 2nd's and two 3rd's in the 2018 draft.
And with that....it makes a ton of sense to see what you have in Kizer this year. He could be your QBoTF or he could be another Jimmy Clausen scenario.
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I don't disagree with how the Browns are building their team. The draft is the way to go. I just disagree with how they drafted. I would rather have a Von Miller like player AND Patrick Willis instead of Von Miller and a Greg Olson like player.
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Am I the only one that's not a big fan of Wentz?
It's a little difficult to judge Wentz because his receiving corp was just so awful last year.

He reminded me of Rothlisberger pre-draft and looked the part for a while.

It'll be interesting to see if Goff makes any type of advancement this year but the Rams roster is so depleted that it could be difficult to assess him, too.

I still can't figure out why Les Snead has a job but that's a different subject altogether.
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