Browns Trade OL Cam Erving To Chiefs

[okiedokieokoye]

For a 2018 5th Round pick.

[RunKC]

Let's see here. What has this Browns new management done?

-thought Carson Wentz was a shit QB and wouldn't draft him.
-let Alex Mack go
-let Mitchell Schwartz go
-let Terrell Pryor go

They don't exactly have smart people there...

[Buckweath]

Some might not like the trade but when you think of it, I really don't think that a 5th round pick is any more likely to become a good starter than Erving has of turning it around and becoming a good starter.

I consider that it is more likely that Erving will stay the course and continue being a bust but for a 5th round pick Ill take the risk knowing he was once widely viewed as a very good oline prospect. Plus Veach is supposed to be a good scout so lets see.

[saphojunkie]

Erving has had some epically bad plays. Strung together it makes you wonder how anyone would have thought he could ever step on the field, much less be a first round pick.

Having said that, they must think they can do something with him. If they can, my god hats off to the coaching staff. Still don't give a **** about a fifth, but I think expecting virtually anything from this is wishful thinking.

[Buckweath]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Let's see here. What has this Browns new management done?

-thought Carson Wentz was a shit QB and wouldn't draft him.
-let Alex Mack go
-let Mitchell Schwartz go
-let Terrell Pryor go

They don't exactly have smart people there...

I think you need to give them more time. I dont feel like they have done wrong so far. It's all up in the air. The key for them is to draft well. They could use John Dorsey.

[Sandy Vagina]

not sure if these were posted in here yet, but

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kccrow

MAYBE, if the Chiefs training staff makes this kid do 5,000 squats and 5,000 power cleans a day, this kid will get some anchor strength by next season. Until that happens, this kid is nothing but a ****ing rag doll. Terrible player. Athleticism only goes so far and it doesn't get him all that far.

He wasn't worth giving a pick up for. Not even a 7th.

The Chiefs offensive line coaches have done a masterful job of coaching up guys with a high ceiling.

Maybe this trade works, maybe it doesn't but a 5th round pick would be a pittance if he actually meets his ceiling.

If that never happens, it's not a big deal, as history has shown that the Chiefs haven't had much luck with 5th round draft picks in the past 20+ years.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Its still early, but Veach so far is coming off like a younger John Dorsey

He is maybe being even more aggressive, but still using the same basic template... and I'm not gonna argue with that

What these trades say to to me is that Veach sees more value in guys with high ceilings than late round draft picks.

Ragland for a 2019 4th is a steal because it's highly unlikely that a 4th round linebacker would have the pedigree of Ragland.

The Chiefs need more top end talent, not less. This roster has enough JAG's already.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

not sure if these were posted in here yet, but

at the one where he falls like a baby that lost its balance.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs offensive line coaches have done a masterful job of coaching up guys with a high ceiling.

Maybe this trade works, maybe it doesn't but a 5th round pick would be a pittance if he actually meets his ceiling.

If that never happens, it's not a big deal, as history has shown that the Chiefs haven't had much luck with 5th round draft picks in the past 20+ years.

Coaching him up is the least of my worries at this point. Guy has zero lower body strength, which was a huge knock on him in pre-draft evaluations. It hasn't improved yet. I don't exactly put alot of stock in the Chiefs training staff. If he can get stronger in the lower half, then maybe that coaching up will matter, but Cleveland hasn't had bad O-line coaches either. We'll see. I think KC would have been better served waiting to try and get him for free.

[chiefzilla1501]

Interestingly, just down the street from the browns is another team that made a habit of stockpiling picks and trade downs. The Cavs had to fire Chris Grant so they could hire a gm who didn't try to get too cute. I think the browns are in the same danger. They keep stockpiling picks, ditching their veterans, and passing on qbs on a wait for next year approach. Only in Cleveland.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Coaching him up is the least of my worries at this point. Guy has zero lower body strength, which was a huge knock on him in pre-draft evaluations. It hasn't improved yet. I don't exactly put alot of stock in the Chiefs training staff.

I disagree with the notion that the Chiefs training staff hasn't helped players. There's a big difference between Ramik Wilson last year and this year, LDT is way stronger, as is Fisher. Morse made a jump from his rookie season to 2016.

Not everyone can be a physical freak like Eric Berry or Justin Houston but I think the training staff has done a fine job, especially with the lineman.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Interestingly, just down the street from the browns is another team that made a habit of stockpiling picks and trade downs. The Cavs had to fire Chris Grant so they could hire a gm who didn't try to get too cute. I think the browns are in the same danger. They keep stockpiling picks, ditching their veterans, and passing on qbs on a wait for next year approach. Only in Cleveland.

In Cleveland's (Browns) defense, they really had nothing when Sashi and company took over except a decent O-line. They really have to re-tool everywhere and set a foundation.

I do agree with the fact that they were absolute idiots to pass on Wentz, but outside of that decision I think stockpiling picks for the next couple of years was their best course of action.

We're going to get to see how that action starts to pay off beginning this year, since several players from the 2016 and 2017 classes will be starting.

As it stands, it looks as though Coleman (WR, Rd 1-16), Ogbah (DE, Rd 2-16), Coleman (RT, Rd 3-16), Schobert (MLB, Rd 4-16), Louis (Slot WR, Rd 4-16), Kindred (FS, Rd 4-16), Garrett (DE, Rd 1-17), Peppers (SS, Rd 1-17), Kizer (QB, Rd 2-17), and possibly Gonzalez (K, Rd 7-17) will all start (Louis may be the one exception but likely significant playing time). That's 10 starters in 2 drafts that have been replaced.

[Kiimo]

Dude has one goal.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzBr6wof1mw

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What these trades say to to me is that Veach sees more value in guys with high ceilings than late round draft picks.

Ragland for a 2019 4th is a steal because it's highly unlikely that a 4th round linebacker would have the pedigree of Ragland.

The Chiefs need more top end talent, not less. This roster has enough JAG's already.

Boiled down to its essence, that first sentence seems to define the Dorsey/Veach template

Lunch bucket try hard guys are a dime a dozen, this method demands top shelf physical traits... then count on coaching, and team culture to develop that try hard for the team mentality

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt... but it always works out more often than not, when you have a great team behind them

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by kccrow

In Cleveland's (Browns) defense, they really had nothing when Sashi and company took over except a decent O-line. They really have to re-tool everywhere and set a foundation.

I do agree with the fact that they were absolute idiots to pass on Wentz, but outside of that decision I think stockpiling picks for the next couple of years was their best course of action.

We're going to get to see how that action starts to pay off beginning this year, since several players from the 2016 and 2017 classes will be starting.

As it stands, it looks as though Coleman (WR, Rd 1-16), Ogbah (DE, Rd 2-16), Coleman (RT, Rd 3-16), Schobert (MLB, Rd 4-16), Louis (Slot WR, Rd 4-16), Kindred (FS, Rd 4-16), Garrett (DE, Rd 1-17), Peppers (SS, Rd 1-17), Kizer (QB, Rd 2-17), and possibly Gonzalez (K, Rd 7-17) will all start (Louis may be the one exception but likely significant playing time). That's 10 starters in 2 drafts that have been replaced.

I think the moneyball guy on the browns is trying to outclever the competition. He wants to prove he can win with diamonds in the rough. The same strategy that had the Cavs reach for Anthony Bennett and Dion Waiters. We will see how the browns drafts actually wind up. But they gave up a lot of veteran talent to get these picks. And they passed up several excellent picks to trade down. Those guys are starting because they traded away all the veterans and their backups are horrible. We will see but last year's browns picks didn't do very much.