LNBS: This draft can set us up for long term success

[BossChief]

We all know that the cap is going to explode and a lot of our star players contracts will during that time, as well. Including Mahomes. That’s why this draft is so incredibly important.

Here’s why.

If you’re drafting a guard, LB, Center, safety or other position that second contracts cost 10-15m per year, they need to play well right away to get a good ROI on the pick in relation to the cap.

If you draft a stud WR or an above average LT in the late first, that’s 20-30m per year in value for the pick, so a 1 year acclimation period isn’t as big of a deal. Especially on the first rounders you get 5 years of cost control of. Not having to fill high price tag offensive positions through free agency is HUGE.

That’s why this is a PERFECT draft for the Kansas City Chiefs.

We have pressing needs at the positions this draft offers talent at in both quality and quantity. There are high quality WRs and OTs deep into the middle and even later rounds of this draft. Brett Veach is about to completely offset the expensive years of Mahomes contract by drafting huge values that we have needs at. I could see him getting 2 good WRs, a starting DE and a solid LT in this draft. Eliminating the need to bolster those positions for a few years through big free agent contracts.

Just the thought of having both OTs, 3WRs, CEH and Kelce (even as he ages, we will be grooming his eventual replacement) together and at mostly dirt cheap cap numbers to surround with top level playmakers coming into his prime makes my dick hard.

If Veach identifies the right talents at our need spots, that opens up the WHOLE CAP going forward over the next few years to go after big time defenders in free agency because the big price tags on offense will be filled.

[RunKC]

Dorsey’s “great drafting” wasn’t a product of only John Dorsey. It was a ****ing mega team that was as good as any team.

Andy, Dorsey, Ballard and Veach alone is a ****ing awesome team.

If you’re going to give Dorsey credit, give him fault too. Tanoh Kpassagnon, KeiVarae Russell , DJ White, Dadi Nicholas and Eric ****ing Murray were his last defensive picks and every single one of them were disasters.

Veach’s drafts have gotten a lot more traction from role players. Rashad Fenton, Michael Danna, Tershawn Wharton (undrafted). Those guys at least bring value.

And a lot of that is NOT only because of Veach. Spags and his staff have played a huge role in that.

You’re only as good as your team

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Dorsey’s “great drafting” wasn’t a product of only John Dorsey. It was a ****ing mega team that was as good as any team.

Andy, Dorsey, Ballard and Veach alone is a ****ing awesome team.

If you’re going to give Dorsey credit, give him fault too. Tanoh Kpassagnon, Russell , DJ White, Dadi Nicholas and Eric ****ing Murray were his last defensive picks and every single one of them were disasters.

Veach’s drafts have gotten a lot more traction from role players. Rashad Fenton, Michael Danna, Tershawn Wharton (undrafted). Those guys at least bring value.

And a lot of that is NOT because of Veach. Spags and his staff have played a huge role in that.

You’re only as good as your team

I mean, has any GM ever significantly crushed the draft? I would have thought being able to do that would create a dynasty, and I can't think of any.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by kccrow

This is exactly the opinion that gets spewed here as if it's justification for how good Veach does in the draft.

Direkshun is right and I brought it up weeks ago in one of the threads in the draft forum. Veach built his segment of the team with trades, free agents, and mid to late-round role player draft picks. Dorsey hit on all the major studs in the draft and is the architect of what this offense is now.

I like Veach, but he has yet to prove he is without fault. We have only seen modest returns to date on early draft capital. We'll see just how good 2020 was this year. None of his top 3 picks are exactly good or great players yet. Maybe they all will be, maybe none. If we look at the prior history, it's not as good as you'd hope for.

This is the year KC absolutely needs to nail the first 2 days of the draft with a couple of pillar positions. Veach has yet to draft those guys. Perhaps it all starts coming together better.

Are we counting dependable starters in the "good" category? Or maybe guys who start and play a lot and don't suck, but aren't elite? He's got a handful of those guys. What's the average for most GMs per draft in finding players like that? One? Two?

Veach chose to spend his top pick in 2019 on Frank Clark, so he's only ever had one 1st rounder to play with. Yeah, Kelce was a 3rd round pick and Hill was in the 5th round yadda yadda, but it also took a couple of years for even those guys to establish themselves as elite. And this is only going to be Veach's 4th draft, while acknowledging that his first one was a dud outside of Nnadi.

So in 3 years with only one first round pick (32 overall) and a team that was mostly already established at so many of its starting spots and a strategy to "run it back" with the same crew, Veach hasn't drafted anybody that has really popped?

I guess the expectations for calling a GM good at drafting are a little high. If he keeps churning out drafts like 2019 and 2020 we'll be pretty damn ok longterm.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chargem

I mean, has any GM ever significantly crushed the draft? I would have thought being able to do that would create a dynasty, and I can't think of any.

Probably the 74 Steelers would be the closest thing with 4 HOFers. But if you're asking for just every pick being a pretty good player (at the minimum), I don't know. Somebody should look that up.

[MahomesMagic]

The Hardman pick will always sting a bit because Terry McLaurin was still on the board.

But I also wanted Amik and Veach's pick of Snead was way better.

[Rainbarrel]

Originally Posted by Bowser

We've been to three AFC Championship games in a row and back to back Super Bowls. People saying Veach isn't doing his job are likely just miserable people looking to complain about something. Clearly we have forgotten everything about the tail end of Carl's time, Executive of the Decade's time, and John Dorsey who never quite understood the principles of the salary cap.

Veach is ****ing killing it for us, even if all of his drafted players aren't all-pro's by their second season.

48-16 Pretty good fitting revolving jigsaw pieces into winning teams.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

LNBS: Football is played with a ball.

A really odd shaped one at that.

[Rausch]

I'd prefer we trade down unless some talent falls 10 or 15 picks to us like a LT or CB.

Being patient and trading back can help you accumulate picks for years. Having multiple picks in the top 100 can absolutely build the foundation of your team...

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I'd prefer we trade down unless some talent falls 10 or 15 picks to us like a LT or CB.

Being patient and trading back can help you accumulate picks for years. Having multiple picks in the top 100 can absolutely build the foundation of your team...

Junior Siavii says hello

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Junior Siavii says hello

So does Chris Jones.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by kccrow

This is exactly the opinion that gets spewed here as if it's justification for how good Veach does in the draft.

Direkshun is right and I brought it up weeks ago in one of the threads in the draft forum. Veach built his segment of the team with trades, free agents, and mid to late-round role player draft picks. Dorsey hit on all the major studs in the draft and is the architect of what this offense is now.

I like Veach, but he has yet to prove he is without fault. We have only seen modest returns to date on early draft capital. We'll see just how good 2020 was this year. None of his top 3 picks are exactly good or great players yet. Maybe they all will be, maybe none. If we look at the prior history, it's not as good as you'd hope for.

This is the year KC absolutely needs to nail the first 2 days of the draft with a couple of pillar positions. Veach has yet to draft those guys. Perhaps it all starts coming together better.

Fair points.

I still feel like he's the best overall GM we've had in at least 25 years. His ability to juggle the salary cap to this point has been masterful, and he's hit more than he's missed. Agree 100% that the first few rounds this year are absolutely critical (Weird saying that coming off back to back SB's, but it's true).

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Are we counting dependable starters in the "good" category? Or maybe guys who start and play a lot and don't suck, but aren't elite? He's got a handful of those guys. What's the average for most GMs per draft in finding players like that? One? Two?

Veach chose to spend his top pick in 2019 on Frank Clark, so he's only ever had one 1st rounder to play with. Yeah, Kelce was a 3rd round pick and Hill was in the 5th round yadda yadda, but it also took a couple of years for even those guys to establish themselves as elite. And this is only going to be Veach's 4th draft, while acknowledging that his first one was a dud outside of Nnadi.

So in 3 years with only one first round pick (32 overall) and a team that was mostly already established at so many of its starting spots and a strategy to "run it back" with the same crew, Veach hasn't drafted anybody that has really popped?

I guess the expectations for calling a GM good at drafting are a little high. If he keeps churning out drafts like 2019 and 2020 we'll be pretty damn ok longterm.

He absolutely has a lot of contributors. He needs to hit on some pillars now and do so by getting some studs, although Sneed just may be one. We'll see. Thornhill is also a hell of a player if he gets back to 100% this year. Nnadi is definitely solid for his position. I want to see him hit on LT, DE, and CB in the next 2 drafts, at least. And get us some more Super Bowls.

[JakeF]

Can't any draft set a team up for long term success?


Draft quality talent, one of the most important things for a team to do.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Dorsey’s “great drafting” wasn’t a product of only John Dorsey. It was a ****ing mega team that was as good as any team.

Andy, Dorsey, Ballard and Veach alone is a ****ing awesome team.

If you’re going to give Dorsey credit, give him fault too. Tanoh Kpassagnon, KeiVarae Russell , DJ White, Dadi Nicholas and Eric ****ing Murray were his last defensive picks and every single one of them were disasters.

Veach’s drafts have gotten a lot more traction from role players. Rashad Fenton, Michael Danna, Tershawn Wharton (undrafted). Those guys at least bring value.

And a lot of that is NOT only because of Veach. Spags and his staff have played a huge role in that.

You’re only as good as your team

Dorsey drafted Dee Ford and Marcus Peters too. For all of the talent, you don't get credit for drafting players that are broken, physically or mentally.

For all of the great work he did with the offense, Dorsey built a terrible defense, hamstrung by soft players and bad contracts.

[Molitoth]

EVERY GM in the league has busts.
A good GM will hit more than miss, and I think Veach has done that.