LNBS: This draft can set us up for long term success

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by kccrow

This is exactly the opinion that gets spewed here as if it's justification for how good Veach does in the draft.

Direkshun is right and I brought it up weeks ago in one of the threads in the draft forum. Veach built his segment of the team with trades, free agents, and mid to late-round role player draft picks. Dorsey hit on all the major studs in the draft and is the architect of what this offense is now.

I like Veach, but he has yet to prove he is without fault. We have only seen modest returns to date on early draft capital. We'll see just how good 2020 was this year. None of his top 3 picks are exactly good or great players yet. Maybe they all will be, maybe none. If we look at the prior history, it's not as good as you'd hope for.

This is the year KC absolutely needs to nail the first 2 days of the draft with a couple of pillar positions. Veach has yet to draft those guys. Perhaps it all starts coming together better.

Are we counting dependable starters in the "good" category? Or maybe guys who start and play a lot and don't suck, but aren't elite? He's got a handful of those guys. What's the average for most GMs per draft in finding players like that? One? Two?

Veach chose to spend his top pick in 2019 on Frank Clark, so he's only ever had one 1st rounder to play with. Yeah, Kelce was a 3rd round pick and Hill was in the 5th round yadda yadda, but it also took a couple of years for even those guys to establish themselves as elite. And this is only going to be Veach's 4th draft, while acknowledging that his first one was a dud outside of Nnadi.

So in 3 years with only one first round pick (32 overall) and a team that was mostly already established at so many of its starting spots and a strategy to "run it back" with the same crew, Veach hasn't drafted anybody that has really popped?

I guess the expectations for calling a GM good at drafting are a little high. If he keeps churning out drafts like 2019 and 2020 we'll be pretty damn ok longterm.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Are we counting dependable starters in the "good" category? Or maybe guys who start and play a lot and don't suck, but aren't elite? He's got a handful of those guys. What's the average for most GMs per draft in finding players like that? One? Two?

Veach chose to spend his top pick in 2019 on Frank Clark, so he's only ever had one 1st rounder to play with. Yeah, Kelce was a 3rd round pick and Hill was in the 5th round yadda yadda, but it also took a couple of years for even those guys to establish themselves as elite. And this is only going to be Veach's 4th draft, while acknowledging that his first one was a dud outside of Nnadi.

So in 3 years with only one first round pick (32 overall) and a team that was mostly already established at so many of its starting spots and a strategy to "run it back" with the same crew, Veach hasn't drafted anybody that has really popped?

I guess the expectations for calling a GM good at drafting are a little high. If he keeps churning out drafts like 2019 and 2020 we'll be pretty damn ok longterm.

He absolutely has a lot of contributors. He needs to hit on some pillars now and do so by getting some studs, although Sneed just may be one. We'll see. Thornhill is also a hell of a player if he gets back to 100% this year. Nnadi is definitely solid for his position. I want to see him hit on LT, DE, and CB in the next 2 drafts, at least. And get us some more Super Bowls.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kccrow

He absolutely has a lot of contributors. He needs to hit on some pillars now and do so by getting some studs, although Sneed just may be one. We'll see. Thornhill is also a hell of a player if he gets back to 100% this year. Nnadi is definitely solid for his position. I want to see him hit on LT, DE, and CB in the next 2 drafts, at least. And get us some more Super Bowls.

Getting those positions at where we'll be drafting aren't easy. Will have to develop them from lower rounders likely.

We've got the coaching staff for it, thankfully.

CB is overvalued in these parts (myself included). The Chiefs have dominated the league for years now with not much there.

Front 7 is where it's at.