Chris Simms: "JuJu's Injury is Patrick Mahomes Fault"

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Around the 0:30 and 3:30 mark. This is quite a wild take from Chris Simms, victim blaming Mahomes for throwing to the open receiver.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

These. I remember watching the replay on TV and thinking how the hell did Cisco get there so fast?

Credit to his closing speed by from my armchair it looked like the right throw to me.

It seriously looked like a Madden play where the defenders warps through a player and destroys the WR.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Uh, wat? you must be thinking of someone else, because I've always said, since the end of the 2018 season, that Mahomes is the greatest QB I've ever seen.

And nowhere in this thread have I stated anything to the effect of "Josh Allen is better than Mahomes." So respectfully, what the hell are you talking about?

Chris Simms hot takes

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

Chris Simms hot takes

Still have no idea what you're talking about. I don't get to watch every Simms episode, so maybe I missed that one.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

Chris Simms hot takes

He never said anything about Simms' actual takes. He was speaking about CP's general propensity to embrace people that say good things and despise people that say bad things. Not only is that generally true, it's human nature.

[Peter Gibbons]

Originally Posted by Wilson8

Good joke but actually what JuJu was wearing may have contributed to his concussion.

JuJu wears a Schutt Air XP Q11. In looking at it, it is round shape with a circle of round air holes in the top. It is an approved helmet, but it rates 15th on the safety performance list. There are several pros that wear this helmet including Aaron Rodgers. It is popular with several of the older players. It looks more like one of the old-style helmets but is still approved.

Last year Travis Kelce wore that helmet but has made a switch to the Schutt F7 which has a little better rating.

Patrick Mahomes was wearing the Vicis 01 but may have switched to the Vicis 02 which has an even better rating.


To see more information on pro helmets and rating see - https://www.whatproswear.com/footbal...the-nfl-nflpa/

So, in lay terms, you’re saying it’s JuJu’s fault for not taking better helmet?
Sorry, I couldn’t resist extending the metaphor.
Dark Helmet approves this message.

[srvy]

Like Chris Simms never threw a hospital ball. A WR willing to make tough catches in the middle of the field is an asset. Ju Ju has been known his entire career to make those catches so you utilize your asset. What has become of football jeez you throw to the open man.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by -King-

You gotta watch more football. It happens every week.

Here's Justin Reid doing it to Tyreek in our playoff game against the Texans. Cisco did get a couple more inches off the ground though. But same concept on the hit

I’m not a fan of that either. A receiver up in the air is as defenseless as it gets and the DB is making a very intentional decision to truck a receiver instead of playing the ball or at least an attempt at tackling. People may call the rules soft. No, the reason these rules are in place is because no fan wants to see backups play. It’s one thing to do it in the moment. This is a pattern for Cisco and it’s not one that should be encouraged.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

It's hilarious that you have to be so polar about everything. If any commentator says anything that isn't 100% "Mahomes is great and always in the fight," some of you dipsticks have to scream at clouds, even when just a week ago you were all praising the same guy for his incredibly well-thought out analysis. Just look at yourselves.

Why is this hard?

If he had an incredibly well thought out analysis, why would he not get praise?

Blaming Mahomes for Andre Cisco's dirty hit is just idiocy, and therefore deserving of criticism. This is is that part where it isn't one way or the other all the time. Good take good, dumb take dumb. Hopefully that's simple enough for you to grasp.


It doesn't have to be an either/or. Why is it that when Simms say anything even remotely not in Mahomes' favor, he's automatically "wildly wrong?"

Blaming Mahomes for the actions of Andre Cisco is in the wildly wrong category. Juju was wide open, and Cisco wasn't even a threat when that football was thrown. So yeah, dumb take is dumb.

Answer: it's probably that he's not wrong, it's that Chief Fan is unable to grasp any nuanced opinion(s).

OK dude.

And what part of the end of the JAX game are you referring to, just so I know what I'm being accused of. Again.

Bad play is going to get called out, no matter the score or opponent. Had Jacksonville been competent, it's a 20-10 game with them getting the ball to open the 2nd half. I distinctly remember 2 particular games the Chiefs led at half by 11 and lost the football game. So no, you don't want bad play opening the door for opportunities for teams to get back in a game they have no business being in. It's classic playing down to the competition, and it's how you lose games you have no business losing.

Had to edit this post. WC isn't pro-Chiefs, he's just pro-Mahomes. Outside of Pat, he hates the coaching staff, the GM, and more than half the players.

You're a ****ing idiot.

Sorry that the truth about your hero Andy Reid is that he's lost more big games than he's won. It's not hate, it's a matter of ****ing NFL record. He gets you a shot at the big game, and most teams would kill for it. But Big Red in the Big Game doesn't have a winning record and plenty of those losses he earned. 3-5 in championship games, 1-2 in Superbowls.

It's not hate. It's his ****ing win loss record in those games.

And yes if he calls 13 ****ing runs up Humphreys ass for an average of 1 yard or less, I'm going to question wtf he's looking at.

If he coaches down to Sean Mcderpit playing scared to take his 3 and turning the ball over, I'm going to criticize it.

Not hate. Criticism.

As for hating half the players, it's your turn to quote where I said anything negative about half the players.

Negative remarks on Steve Spagnuolo were well earned.

So get to quoting, dipshit, or do us all a favor and shut the **** up.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

You're a ****ing idiot.

Sorry that the truth about your hero Andy Reid is that he's lost more big games than he's won. It's not hate, it's a matter of ****ing NFL record. He gets you a shot at the big game, and most teams would kill for it. But Big Red in the Big Game doesn't have a winning record and plenty of those losses he earned. 3-5 in championship games, 1-2 in Superbowls.

It's not hate. It's his ****ing win loss record in those games.

And yes if he calls 13 ****ing runs up Humphreys ass for an average of 1 yard or less, I'm going to question wtf he's looking at.

If he coaches down to Sean Mcderpit playing scared to take his 3 and turning the ball over, I'm going to criticize it.

Not hate. Criticism.

As for hating half the players, it's your turn to quote where I said anything negative about half the players.

Negative remarks on Steve Spagnuolo were well earned.

So get to quoting, dipshit, or do us all a favor and shut the **** up.

And there you go. Case closed.

And your take on Andy is stupid, just so you know. Name a HOF coach that was available in 2012 that was better, or would've been as successful. I'll wait.

Also, Andy is now the winningest coach in KC history, iirc.

Just one season with fewer than 10 wins. His second one in KC? So, 8 seasons with more than 10 wins, and well ont he way to another.

7 Divisional titles?

A 57% playoff win% as the HC for KC. 72% in the regular season.

4 consecutive AFCCG appearances. Won 2, and lost two through no fault of his own. Unless it's now Andy's fault that Dee Ford lined up offsides. Or that CJ got called for a bogus RTP call. I know, you think it's Andy's fault that the offense shit the bed in the 2nd half of the AFCCG last season, in spite of every NFL analyst coming to the same exact conclusion, which was that Pat shit the bed.

Or that Spags shit the bed in that game because reasons that have nothing to do with reality.

And I literally don't have time to go back and search out all your posts shitting on players.

And I shouldn't really have to, after taking apart your arguments against Andy Reid.

How's this for Andy Ried's coaching ability?

After completely tearing down the WR room and filling it with 5 players that have never spent any time in Andy's offense, two of whom came in as rookies, the Chiefs are the no. 1 scoring offense in the league and 2nd in passing yards/gm.

Again. For like the 4th time.

On defense the team lost the services of both Hitchens and Mathieu, the defensive play-callers for the last three years, and replaced them with Bolton and Justin Ried, a S that had never played in Spags' defense before, plus three rookies in the starting line up?

And somehow Spags defense is top-4 in sacks, ditto QB hurries/hits/pressures or something like that. Top-10 vs. the run, I believe. Yeah, he sux as well, right?

And again, none of the things i wrote above are my opinion.

Those are stone cold hard facts, buddy.

Read 'em and weep.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

And there you go. Case closed.

The hardest thing to learn in a trial is when to stay seated.

Fella - you just learned a valuable lesson.

Yup. This is probably one where you just wanna have a seat and let the other guy...uh...work.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He never said anything about Simms' actual takes. He was speaking about CP's general propensity to embrace people that say good things and despise people that say bad things. Not only is that generally true, it's human nature.

Which is still less annoying than the general propensity to appeal to authority. ESPECIALLY when that authority is "he has followers on Twitter".

Ugh - the number of times I've been asked to bow at the alter of some asswipe with a blog or a byline just drive me nuts. I know stuff - **** those guys and their blue checkmarks.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Which is still less annoying than the general propensity to appeal to authority. ESPECIALLY when that authority is "he has followers on Twitter".

Ugh - the number of times I've been asked to bow at the alter of some asswipe with a blog or a byline just drive me nuts. I know stuff - **** those guys and their blue checkmarks.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The hardest thing to learn in a trial is when to stay seated.

Fella - you just learned a valuable lesson.

Yup. This is probably one where you just wanna have a seat and let the other guy...uh...work.

Ah hell, you edited it.

Just couldn't stop yourself from standing up...

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Everybody can be wrong. However, what are the odds Sims is wrong vs. WC or you or whoever?

Chris Simms is a former starting NFL QB, with more than a decade of experience playing football at a very high competitive level. And then on top of that he's an expert professional football analyst for however many years.

Anyone here have those credentials?

You? WC?

What? Bro, I'm not debating Simms about evaluating pro players or analyzing plays, schemes, and concepts. I'm looking at a video and seeing whether what's taking place was a dirty hit or not according to the rules of what should be penalized.

Simms doesn't have magical powers to be able to see into the mind of Cisco and realize he was thinking, "Oh shit, here comes Juju! I hope the way my body is positioned when we collide won't lead to him getting hurt!!!" And if he did have those magical powers, he wouldn't have them specifically because he was a ****ing NFL player.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, that 2nd hit definitely shed some light on the possible intent of the first one.

And I try to watch these plays in real time and not disect frame by frame, thinking shit happens so quickly and there are split second decisions, etc..... and then Toney is out there adjusting his gloves mid-route before high-pointing a pass along the sidelines, so WTF do I know about how these guys can slow down the game.

Glad you're finally coming around to my point of view