Mecole Hardman

[penchief]

It seems like the offense has been a lot less dynamic without Hardman. He might be the spark needed going into the playoffs.

I know the accepted narrative here is one that treats Hardman as some sort of JAG. But I really like his freakish athleticism, his playmaking ability, and his unselfishness. He’s still really young and has acted like a kid at times, but I’ve got this nagging feeling that if the light ever comes on he’s gonna be special.

He’s made some really great plays and I love the way he runs in traffic. He doesn’t shift gears. It’s like he’s in variable glide mode.

[O.city]

The Chiefs declined to pay Hill and traded him. They aren't gonna go buy a "#1" WR after letting the "#1" Wr in the league go.

They'll continue to draft a guy every year and sign next years JJSS

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Rasputin

Andy Reid draws mustaches on players faces when they're sleeping on the flight home.

Great post

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Chiefs declined to pay Hill and traded him. They aren't gonna go buy a "#1" WR after letting the "#1" Wr in the league go.

They'll continue to draft a guy every year and sign next years JJSS

They offered him $22m per year. They didn’t decline to pay him. Just because they aren’t looking for a top 5 WR doesn’t mean they won’t pay for a WR1. And I like juju but he ain’t that.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

They offered him $22m per year. They didn’t decline to pay him. Just because they aren’t looking for a top 5 WR doesn’t mean they won’t pay for a WR1. And I like juju but he ain’t that.

They went with the WR By committee approach and it's been a success. They'll continue to do that with the next market inefficiency, whoever that may be.

If they want a #1 guy, get him in the draft.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

They went with the WR By committee approach and it's been a success. They'll continue to do that with the next market inefficiency, whoever that may be.

If they want a #1 guy, get him in the draft.

Mahomes making it work doesn’t make it a long term strategy. They still drop way too many passes. We still have stalled moments and the common theme is that our WRs can’t get open. They still force mahomes to do the impossible because our WRs aren’t doing the simple. And sorry but we need to get Mvs and Watson off the field sooner vs later. And we can’t rely on kelce to draw doubles and triples as he gets up in age.

We can’t have speed guys with no size (and who have zero ball skills). A big guy like juju disappears in stretches because our speed guys are too easy to disappear. Their one dimensionality shines when we go through our slumps. You’re saying we don’t have money and yet can justify paying juju and Mvs $30m instead of a true WR1 who can do both jobs without all the disappearing acts. Why can’t we just have a decent size WR who has speed and has quality ball skills?

While I’m fine with getting a #1 in the draft I don’t want to wait a whole year for Andy Reid to develop him. And we can’t risk him busting. We have the best qb in the world and won’t get him a WR1? Maybe we can both keep our fingers crossed that Justyn Ross can be healthy enough to be that guy. But how can anyone not look at the chiefs offense in the second half of the season and not realize that our receivers are a weak spot that our stud qb is covering up for

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Mahomes making it work doesn’t make it a long term strategy. They still drop way too many passes. We still have stalled moments and the common theme is that our WRs can’t get open. They still force mahomes to do the impossible because our WRs aren’t doing the simple. And sorry but we need to get Mvs and Watson off the field sooner vs later. And we can’t rely on kelce to draw doubles and triples as he gets up in age.

We can’t have speed guys with no size (and who have zero ball skills). A big guy like juju disappears in stretches because our speed guys are too easy to disappear. Their one dimensionality shines when we go through our slumps. You’re saying we don’t have money and yet can justify paying juju and Mvs $30m instead of a true WR1 who can do both jobs without all the disappearing acts. Why can’t we just have a decent size WR who has speed and has quality ball skills?

While I’m fine with getting a #1 in the draft I don’t want to wait a whole year for Andy Reid to develop him. And we can’t risk him busting. We have the best qb in the world and won’t get him a WR1? Maybe we can both keep our fingers crossed that Justyn Ross can be healthy enough to be that guy. But how can anyone not look at the chiefs offense in the second half of the season and not realize that our receivers are a weak spot that our stud qb is covering up for

You're kind of all over the place here.

Mahomes making a 'WR by committee' work to the tune of #1 scoring offense in football is ABSOLUTELY a long term strategy, and one you had better get used to. The only way this changes is if we draft and develop a star WR, which may well happen. We will NOT be going out and paying a FA WR twenty million plus. There's no reason to.

It would be nice, a LUXURY even; but we saw that defenses could simply make Tyreek Hill a possession receiver (11 ypc last year.) We're more explosive WITHOUT Hill. It's crazy, but it's true.

We've got holes-weak spots. OT is a problem. DE is a weak spot. We need more beef in the trenches. We can't keep our guys, plus shore up the weak spots, plus pay for a #1 WR (which we've shown we can thrive without.)

So nah. Shore up the holes, keep the guys we want to keep, let the rest walk, sign some cheaper FA's looking to up their profile, draft a WR every year and let's roll.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Mahomes making it work doesn’t make it a long term strategy. They still drop way too many passes. We still have stalled moments and the common theme is that our WRs can’t get open. They still force mahomes to do the impossible because our WRs aren’t doing the simple. And sorry but we need to get Mvs and Watson off the field sooner vs later. And we can’t rely on kelce to draw doubles and triples as he gets up in age.

We can’t have speed guys with no size (and who have zero ball skills). A big guy like juju disappears in stretches because our speed guys are too easy to disappear. Their one dimensionality shines when we go through our slumps. You’re saying we don’t have money and yet can justify paying juju and Mvs $30m instead of a true WR1 who can do both jobs without all the disappearing acts. Why can’t we just have a decent size WR who has speed and has quality ball skills?

While I’m fine with getting a #1 in the draft I don’t want to wait a whole year for Andy Reid to develop him. And we can’t risk him busting. We have the best qb in the world and won’t get him a WR1? Maybe we can both keep our fingers crossed that Justyn Ross can be healthy enough to be that guy. But how can anyone not look at the chiefs offense in the second half of the season and not realize that our receivers are a weak spot that our stud qb is covering up for

Once he signed the contract and is making the money he is, that die was cast. Sorry, but you can't pay for everything.

[O.city]

If the opportunity arises where you could sign Jamar Chase or whoever, sure. Look into it. I'm still concerned that once we get in the playoffs, you need a legit #1 dude, but we shall see.

They've gotta pay a LT and a DE. It's just a luxury that will have to come from the draft.

[notorious]

When you have a committee WR core matched with an elite QB it works better.

If one goes down it's plug and play. Nobody is bitching about low targets, one guy can't be gameplanned out by the defense, pay gets spread out so that it's not a horrifying cap hit for a guy that gets injured.

Chiefs are doing it right.

[In58men]

#Chiefs HC Andy Reid says there are no injuries to report. Mecole Hardman will practice on Wednesday

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You're kind of all over the place here.

Mahomes making a 'WR by committee' work to the tune of #1 scoring offense in football is ABSOLUTELY a long term strategy, and one you had better get used to. The only way this changes is if we draft and develop a star WR, which may well happen. We will NOT be going out and paying a FA WR twenty million plus. There's no reason to.

It would be nice, a LUXURY even; but we saw that defenses could simply make Tyreek Hill a possession receiver (11 ypc last year.) We're more explosive WITHOUT Hill. It's crazy, but it's true.

We've got holes-weak spots. OT is a problem. DE is a weak spot. We need more beef in the trenches. We can't keep our guys, plus shore up the weak spots, plus pay for a #1 WR (which we've shown we can thrive without.)

So nah. Shore up the holes, keep the guys we want to keep, let the rest walk, sign some cheaper FA's looking to up their profile, draft a WR every year and let's roll.

we have the best qb in football and we want to make this team balanced and efficient? We are succeeding the second half of the season because we are leaning very very heavily on the run and screen game. And even still we’ve had several stretches where we flat out can’t move the ball. We rely on long drives which increases the likelihood that our mistake prone WRs will kill a drive. Defenses are trying their damnedest to take the ball out of mahomes hands. Good defenses are beating the shit out of kelce knowing refs won’t call it. Defenses are playing way more man than mahomes has ever seen because they have no fear whatsoever of our WRs.

Even if our offense is outstanding I know I’m not alone that we’ve seen plenty of it’s limitations. Hell, Toney isn’t a rock star and we’ve seen the complete 180 when he’s on the field. We saw it with skyy moore last week and against Tennessee. We saw it with Toney against LAC. We can’t just keep relying on these bolts of lightning in a bottle though.

Yes the strategy works. Frankly we are better for it since losing tyreek. But there is no reason we can maintain efficiency while having a true WR1 who can bail out mahomes at least once in a while. Give him a guy who can go up for the ball. Who doesn’t need mahomes to do pocket gymnastics because our WRs can’t beat man coverage. We don’t have to have a Justin Jefferson. And before you say we can’t afford it, we could pay up to $30m to have two guys (juju + Mvs) who do the job of 1 DK metcalf. Why do we have several one dimensional guys who disappear in long stretches when most other teams have one guy who does both jobs?

we have Patrick mahomes. The offense should run through him. Not through Pacheco and McKinnon and Noah gray. When defenses leave us no choice but to do that we are playing right into their own hands.

[O.city]

Because it's not an unlimited resource game. It's a shell game. Money spent is money away from potentially spending.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

If the opportunity arises where you could sign Jamar Chase or whoever, sure. Look into it. I'm still concerned that once we get in the playoffs, you need a legit #1 dude, but we shall see.

They've gotta pay a LT and a DE. It's just a luxury that will have to come from the draft.

It doesn’t have to be jamar chase. Terry mclaurin is basically making what we would have given tyreek. AJ brown and DK aren’t that far off. But more realistically, you don’t think a dj Moore or a Christian Kirk or hell if you’re scraping at the bottom even a Corey Davis wouldn’t make a huge difference.

Mahomes doesn’t need a top 5 Wr. But a mid tier WR1 would make a huge difference. And much as I like juju that is not the role he was meant to play.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It doesn’t have to be jamar chase. Terry mclaurin is basically making what we would have given tyreek. AJ brown and DK aren’t that far off. But more realistically, you don’t think a dj Moore or a Christian Kirk or hell if you’re scraping at the bottom even a Corey Davis wouldn’t make a huge difference.

Mahomes doesn’t need a top 5 Wr. But a mid tier WR1 would make a huge difference. And much as I like juju that is not the role he was meant to play.

No, why would you pay 20 plus million to a mid tier guy? Look at the teams paying these WR"s. They all have 1 thing in common.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Because it's not an unlimited resource game. It's a shell game. Money spent is money away from potentially spending.

You want to dominate the trenches. That is going to be way more expensive.

By your logic why couldn’t you use the draft to find a RT. Why couldn’t you find a good enough RT instead of the turnstile we have out there now? You’re plenty comfortable throwing lots of money at two tackles. I get that we can’t suck at certain positions like these. But I find it bizarre that we are so comfortable throwing all our money and resources at positions like this where solid would probably suffice but think it’s out of bounds to throw it at a player who mahomes can use as a weapon.