Mecole Hardman

[penchief]

It seems like the offense has been a lot less dynamic without Hardman. He might be the spark needed going into the playoffs.

I know the accepted narrative here is one that treats Hardman as some sort of JAG. But I really like his freakish athleticism, his playmaking ability, and his unselfishness. He’s still really young and has acted like a kid at times, but I’ve got this nagging feeling that if the light ever comes on he’s gonna be special.

He’s made some really great plays and I love the way he runs in traffic. He doesn’t shift gears. It’s like he’s in variable glide mode.

[RocKhawks]

Does anyone have video of his injury? If I remember correctly it was a punt return, and he was bent up like a pretzel. But he kept playing afterwards.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BossChief

totally agree.

Draft picks need to offset free agency, so it makes a lot of sense to keep swinging in the draft at positions that are expensive in FA…especially ones that we have existing force multipliers in.



The best plan for this offseason is to let the coaches and training staff improve our young talent to give them a chance to shine while spending available resources to improve areas on the team that are a bigger and more impactful need.

Our DE position is held together by duct tape
We need an upgrade to at least one OT position

Let’s say we add another DE of similar quality to George to bookend with him while also adding an OT that can seal one of the edges.

Then look at what we’re going into 2023 with in the WR room.

Toney
Ross
Moore
MVS
Draft pick

Hopefully the training staff can put the pieces together of Toney and Ross. If they can, that already has big time potential.

Holy shit that would be a disaster

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

totally agree.

Draft picks need to offset free agency, so it makes a lot of sense to keep swinging in the draft at positions that are expensive in FA…especially ones that we have existing force multipliers in.



The best plan for this offseason is to let the coaches and training staff improve our young talent to give them a chance to shine while spending available resources to improve areas on the team that are a bigger and more impactful need.

Our DE position is held together by duct tape
We need an upgrade to at least one OT position

Let’s say we add another DE of similar quality to George to bookend with him while also adding an OT that can seal one of the edges.

Then look at what we’re going into 2023 with in the WR room.

Toney
Ross
Moore
MVS
Draft pick

Hopefully the training staff can put the pieces together of Toney and Ross. If they can, that already has big time potential.

Eek

One guy who can’t stay healthy
Another guy who is useless in all but 1-2 snaps
A new guy coming back from injury - no guarantee he’s any good or more notably can stay healthy
A draft pick Andy will barely play in year 1

So… no. If skyy or Ross excel they can still play tons of snaps at Y or the slot. You still get a chance to develop these guys but there’s no way we walk into that WR set without major insurance.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

So essentially, throw it down the field.

Like they did last year when Tyreek was as here…..or wait.

I mean **** man, these “safe bailouts” have lead them to the most explosive 20 yard passing plays in the league.

Im kind of at a loss here

I’ve already addressed this multiple times.

First our offense was dominant to close the year except for one bad half. Much as you keep referencing last year as some cautionary tale. But yeah you can’t have speed speed speed. We needed a big body like juju to offset tyreek not a bunch of burners. Been saying that constantly even when tyreek was here. And when we keep talking about our dominant offense, I know you’re not talking about the second half of the season where we’ve really been battling as a pass offense.

Second, I haven’t said we need a tyreek. I didn’t say we need to throw deep. I never said we need a speed demon. Being aggressive doesn’t just mean 50 yard bombs. It means short or mid passes where mahomes can throw a guy open and the WR actually makes an athletic play to get to it. Have you ever even watched guys like AJ brown or Hopkins? If you chuck that ball in the same zip code they’re going to find ways to catch it and make sure the other guy doesn’t. Why can’t we have that? And rather than burn snaps on Mvs being a decoy how about a guy with speed who isn’t useless on other snaps.

And still nobody has addressed the elephant in the room about how much better kelce makes our WRs look. The guy who will be 34 next year. You really think we can keep relying on him to keep soaking up doubles and triples and getting mauled constantly?

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Holy shit that would be a disaster

It’s our current WR room minus JJSS whom many here don’t seem to really respect and Hardman whom many think was a complete bust as a WR.

Do you really think there’s any chance that’s the WR room next year? And did it just dawn on people here that we were thin on WRs under contract? That was the advantage of getting someone like Toney who has 3 more years of control.

[BossChief]

I forgot to add either Juju or Hardman. My bad. I don’t think we bring both back, but I do think we bring one of them back.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

It’s our current WR room minus JJSS whom many here don’t seem to really respect and Hardman whom many think was a complete bust as a WR.

Do you really think there’s any chance that’s the WR room next year? And did it just dawn on people here that we were thin on WRs under contract? That was the advantage of getting someone like Toney who has 3 more years of control.

I think our wr room is solid… with a WR1 that bumps everyone down one spot. Juju is more of a possession guy. Skyy in the slot. Toney flex and gadget. Watson in limited sets. Mvs as a speed guy although I’d rather he be expendable. If Ross progresses he may make juju expendable. Not having a WR1 forces these guys into one level up roles that I don’t think are well suited for them.

[rydogg58]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think our wr room is solid… with a WR1 that bumps everyone down one spot. Juju is more of a possession guy. Skyy in the slot. Toney flex and gadget. Watson in limited sets. Mvs as a speed guy although I’d rather he be expendable. If Ross progresses he may make juju expendable. Not having a WR1 forces these guys into one level up roles that I don’t think are well suited for them.

There's just not any scenario I can see where Ross supplants the level of production Juju has given us. I still don't see him as anything other than a lottery ticket that we're probably not ever going to be able to cash out.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by rydogg58

There's just not any scenario I can see where Ross supplants the level of production Juju has given us. I still don't see him as anything other than a lottery ticket that we're probably not ever going to be able to cash out.

It’s assumed by the team that Ross has zero value until proven otherwise.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think our wr room is solid… with a WR1 that bumps everyone down one spot. Juju is more of a possession guy. Skyy in the slot. Toney flex and gadget. Watson in limited sets. Mvs as a speed guy although I’d rather he be expendable. If Ross progresses he may make juju expendable. Not having a WR1 forces these guys into one level up roles that I don’t think are well suited for them.

Assuming health I predict Toney as having a larger role than Skyy, he would be more than just flex/gadget.

[O.city]

Justyn Ross will never play a snap as a chief.

Sky moore was a 2nd round pick, he needs to develop more. Keep drafting and developing wrs. Don’t pay them when another team doesn’t wanna and let’s their guy walk.

[O.city]

“The offense was dominant down the stretch last year”

The last 7 games, Tyreek lead them in receiving yards 1 time (buffalo in the playoffs) and they were playing well

If they have a guy they like in the draft, sure. Take one. With the explosion of wr salaries, having a cheap one would be huge.

But paying Christian Kirk 20 million dollars just isn’t gonna happen here

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by rydogg58

There's just not any scenario I can see where Ross supplants the level of production Juju has given us. I still don't see him as anything other than a lottery ticket that we're probably not ever going to be able to cash out.

100%. Which means unless we make a move we don’t have a true WR1. He’s the only guy on our roster with an outside shot.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

“The offense was dominant down the stretch last year”

The last 7 games, Tyreek lead them in receiving yards 1 time (buffalo in the playoffs) and they were playing well

If they have a guy they like in the draft, sure. Take one. With the explosion of wr salaries, having a cheap one would be huge.

But paying Christian Kirk 20 million dollars just isn’t gonna happen here

I think you’re starting to reach now if your nitpick about last year was that our offense was really good the last 7 games but tyreek played a smaller role in it. Tyreek being on the field was a huge reason for that. I like where we’re going without tyreek but this idea that we’re so much better off without him is way overblown. We put up 40+ twice in the playoffs against really good defenses.

And if you’re going to talk about 7 games, you keep talking about our entire 2022 season as if we’ve been dominant all season long. As if to ignore that we’ve had our share of problems with the passing game the last 7 games.

[BossChief]

Our 2 best WRs have been out and the offense has been humming along doing enough to win games and keep prime plays tucked away for the playoffs.

We should be able to attack defenses with their pants down in the playoffs because there’s almost zero tape of the offense at full strength.