Interesting rumor out of STL....(Matt Ryan)

[OnTheWarpath15]

If the Falcons are able to land Glenn Dorsey with the 3rd overall pick, they would pick up the phone and call the Patriots if Matt Ryan was available at 7 and offer all three of their 2008 2nd round picks. (34/37/48)

The value chart shows the Falcons package to be worth 1510 on the chart, while the 7th overall pick is worth 1500.

Interesting, to say the least.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea we'll get Chad Henne just what I want...

You're a walking contradiction all of a sudden.

Draft for need, or don't draft for need?

Which is it?

Because taking a QB just because you're concerned about next years class is drafting for need, plain and simple.

If a QB is there with one of the picks, great. If not, we've just filled FIVE holes on the first day of the draft.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

At some point you have to stop trading yourself out of a good spot.

Bullshit. We could have 34 7th rounders.

Why don't you want 34 7th rounders?

[Direckshun]

Next year's class DOES have Tebow and Bradford, FWIW.

[Mecca]

I'm a little concerned about the most important position on the team, if you build an entire team with no QB you won't win....

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Next year's class DOES have Tebow and Bradford, FWIW.

Tebow is brutal man, spread option, horrid mechanics...the way he throws the ball is just awful.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm a little concerned about the most important position on the team, if you build an entire team with no QB you won't win....

And aren't you the one that keeps saying this is a 3-4 year rebuilding process?

We don't HAVE to have a QB in the first round of this draft anymore than we HAVE to have a LT in the first round.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea we'll get Chad Henne just what I want...

You mean you don't want to be FLACCONIZED!?!?!

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Want a quick bit of news?

Bill Parcells is not the end all be all of drafting this man used 1st round pick on Bobby Carpenter.

Oh that's right - you are the end all be all. Better than Parcells. Glad I got that straight.

I think you are too obsessed with rules - teams in situation X cannot trade down, position Y can't be drafted top 10, etc. etc. These rules are bad attempts to make complex, highly variable decisions simple - and I can find historical cases where each of them fail. I understand your schtick, but my suggestion is that you open your mind and embrace the complexity. It will humble you when you realize things aren't as simple as you think.

And no one's got a perfect record. Your beloved AJ Smith took Sammy Davis in the first round. And his last 1st round pick in Buffalo (with Jerry Butler) was Erik Flowers.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And aren't you the one that keeps saying this is a 3-4 year rebuilding process?

We don't HAVE to have a QB in the first round of this draft anymore than we HAVE to have a LT in the first round.

In 3 years if they've drafted well this is the scenario will be in, we won't be bad enough to pick high enough to get a QB but we won't be good enough to win..

Then we'll have people saying we don't have time to develop a QB because the rest of our team is pretty good.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

In 3 years if they've drafted well this is the scenario will be in, we won't be bad enough to pick high enough to get a QB but we won't be good enough to win..

Then we'll have people saying we don't have time to develop a QB because the rest of our team is pretty good.

I call bullshit.

Half of the teams in the league have a starting QB that was taken in either the 2nd half of the 1st round, or in a later round altogether.

Round 1:

Rodgers
Campbell
Brees
Pennington
Grossman
Boller

Round 2:

Beck
Jackson

Round 3:

Schaub
Edwards
Croyle

Round 4:

Garrard

Round 6:

Anderson
Bulger
Brady
Hasselbeck

[Mecca]

And how many of those guys are legit good enough to win something with? 4?

And how many of those guys are even with the team that drafted them...I count several that aren't...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

And how many of those guys are legit good enough to win something with? 4?

Yeah, 4. In round 6 alone.



I guess all those teams are playing for nothing, Mecca says they can't win with their QB.

Nevermind that 9/16 on that list have either led their teams to a playoff game, or had the team in contention for a playoff berth late in the season.

There's 6 that have conference championship game experience.

[Mecca]

I guess we should trade for someone elses backup or sign some guy who gets cut and hope we get lucky cause

Hasselbeck
Bulger
Anderson
Schaub
Brees

Who outside of Brady are the best ones up there, outside of Brees all those guys are traded backups or guys that were cut. None of them are with their original teams.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I guess we should trade for someone elses backup or sign some guy who gets cut and hope we get lucky cause

Hasselbeck
Bulger
Anderson
Schaub
Brees

Who outside of Brady are the best ones up there, outside of Brees all those guys are traded backups or guys that were cut. None of them are with their original teams.

Who gives a shit?

Are they starting QB's, or what?

I guess Brett Favre's entire career is irrelevant because the Falcons gave up on him prematurely?

It's obvious they were initially correct in making the pick, but made a mistake by letting them walk.

[Mecca]

It's the point of what a crapshoot those late round QB's are, it's like the people who harp Tom Brady constantly like it is just easy as heel to pick a QB in the 6th round.

You're much more likely to be the Colts or the Steelers or the Chargers in how they got QB's than the Pats.