Let's put all the QB talk right here

[Mecca]

Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Texas and Texas Tech. That's true. Fortunately they both have tough schedules to be thoroughly evaluated. Unlike some other team from california.

All SC can control is it's non con and they go out of their way to play a good one.

[ChiefsCountry]

Stafford has looked shaky this year as well. We will find out about him this year real quick, the SEC will do that to you.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Mecca

His freshman and sophomore stats are very similar to Cutler and Palmers are they big armed dumbasses too?

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Can you post the stats?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Can you post the stats?

I'll do some overall comparison for you here....

Stafford is also in the SEC playing at Georgia, the conference that is notoriously hard on passers as you mention with Cutler. And comparing Stafford's stats to Cutler's stats at the same time in their careers, they are eerily similar. Cutler's completion percentage through 2 seasons was a stellar 53.8%. He barely hit 7.0 in yards per attempt, and he had a 28:22 TD:INT ratio. Compared to Stafford who has a career completion percentage of 54.5%, 7.0 ypa, 26:23 TD:INT ratio. Palmer, through 2 full seasons, (using the same line) was 55.1/7.18/23:24.

Jay Cutler was at the fringe of 60 both of his years as a starter at Vanderbilt--61% in '04 and 59.1% in '05. Peyton Manning also barely made a 60% completion percentage his senior year at 60.37%. McNabb was at 60.9% his senior year, Eli Manning was at 58%, Palmer was at 58% in 2001 and 54.9% in 2000.

The last part is for people who harp on the completion %.

[Frankie]

I haven't read this thread. But I have noticed K-State's Freeman doesn't get much love here. What year of college is he? I have watched him once and I was fairly impressed.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

We've been over this before: The biggest stat that correlates with NFL success is completion percentage.

This year, Sam Bradford has completed 79% of his passes, including against a tough Cinci D. Further, we will get to see him against: Kansas, Texas Tech, Texas, TCU and likely Missouri (Big 12 Championship). Other notable teams: K-State, A&M, and Oklahoma State.

The big knock on Bradford to date has been his arm strength and velocity. However, he has actually improved over the last year in that regard. He will probably never be a gunslinger, like a Stafford. But he can put the ball 50-60 yards down the field with perfect accuracy.

Also, since that second video that has you so concerned mecca, he has put on 8-10 pounds. That was just over a year ago.

For those that are comparing Stafford to Palmer: Stafford isn't even close to as accurate. That is my really big knock on him. Nearly every time Stafford throws the ball, you know his receiver is going to have to adjust to it and won't get any YAC. I would much rather have someone with the pinpoint accuracy Bradford is displaying than a gunslinger.

JMO.

Bradford and Tebow had very similar passing stats last year. Stafford was well behind.

2007
Bradford - 237/341 3121 36TD 8int, 69.5% comp.
Tebow - 234/350 3286 32TD 6int, 66.9% comp.
Stafford - 194/348 2523yds 19TD 10int, 55.7% comp.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'll do some overall comparison for you here....

Stafford is also in the SEC playing at Georgia, the conference that is notoriously hard on passers as you mention with Cutler. And comparing Stafford's stats to Cutler's stats at the same time in their careers, they are eerily similar. Cutler's completion percentage through 2 seasons was a stellar 53.8%. He barely hit 7.0 in yards per attempt, and he had a 28:22 TD:INT ratio. Compared to Stafford who has a career completion percentage of 54.5%, 7.0 ypa, 26:23 TD:INT ratio. Palmer, through 2 full seasons, (using the same line) was 55.1/7.18/23:24.

Jay Cutler was at the fringe of 60 both of his years as a starter at Vanderbilt--61% in '04 and 59.1% in '05. Peyton Manning also barely made a 60% completion percentage his senior year at 60.37%. McNabb was at 60.9% his senior year, Eli Manning was at 58%, Palmer was at 58% in 2001 and 54.9% in 2000.

The last part is for people who harp on the completion %.

Stafford got sacked three more times than Bradford last year.
Stat lines for 2007:
Bradford 69.5% completion on 341 attempts, 36 TDs 8 Ints
Stafford 55.7% completion on 348 attempts, 19 TDs 10 Ints

Stafford has been sacked 6 times thusfar this year and Bradford none.
Stat lines for 2008:
Bradford 79% completion on 81 attempts, 12 TDs 2 Ints
Stafford 60.8% completion on 102 attempts, 5 TDs 0 Ints

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Newsflash: white-athletic-mobile college QB's uncomfortable as pure passers are just as likely to bust as black-athletic-moble college QB's.

He's physically gifted, I agree, but I don't want him leading my offense...

Tebow is a much better passer in college than Vince Young or Mike Vick.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Bradford and Tebow had very similar passing stats last year. Stafford was well behind.

2007
Bradford - 237/341 3121 36TD 8int, 69.5% comp.
Tebow - 234/350 3286 32TD 6int, 66.9% comp.
Stafford - 194/348 2523yds 19TD 10int, 55.7% comp.

Tebow probably shouldn't even enter into any statistical discussion regarding last year. I am curious to see how he will do this year in a more pro-style offense.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Stafford got sacked three more times than Bradford last year.
Stat lines for 2007:
Bradford 69.5% completion on 341 attempts, 36 TDs 8 Ints
Stafford 55.7% completion on 348 attempts, 19 TDs 10 Ints

Stafford has been sacked 6 times thusfar this year and Bradford none.
Stat lines for 2008:
Bradford 79% completion on 81 attempts, 12 TDs 2 Ints
Stafford 60.8% completion on 102 attempts, 5 TDs 0 Ints

I'm not sure what you're saying on the sacks front Oklahoma has a better line....we all know this, Stafford is more mobile, Georgia's LT is out for the season so none of that is surprising.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I haven't read this thread. But I have noticed K-State's Freeman doesn't get much love here. What year of college is he? I have watched him once and I was fairly impressed.

He's a Jr.

Well if you listen to the scouts, they like his size, arm strength, etc. But it seems like he's generally viewed as not in the same class as the Staffords, Tebows.

It'll be interesting to see where he ends up going in the draft whenever he comes out.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm not sure what you're saying on the sacks front Oklahoma has a better line....we all know this, Stafford is more mobile, Georgia's LT is out for the season so none of that is surprising.

Bradford ran a 4.64 forty.

[suds79]

With the rate we're going in looking to have a top 3 pick or so, based on where they seemed to be ranked (and that could change), I'd be absolutely shocked if we passed on Stafford.

He seems to be viewed as the top QB and worthy of a top pick. Seems to be an easy fit if you ask me.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

The Big 12 is the strongest conference in the nation this year.

False.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Bradford ran a 4.64 forty.

So he's about .08 faster than Stafford? Just from watching them play I'd say Stafford is more mobile.