Chiefs Dorsey sucks - Page 7

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 11:08 AM

Plain and simple.

Another bust of a DT

JWhit is right about everything he said about Dorsey. I thought he was supposed to be the centerpiece around the DLine? "Supposively" supposed to be that difference maker?

Yeah

Not even close.

xbarretx · 11-24-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

In college he was allowed to go up the field and make plays, making penitration is the key. The way we are using him right now is to have him Stand up and pushed back 5 yards where he will either fall down or fall down while the ball carrier goes past him

jokes aside, are you saying he was supposed to get upfield in college and here his job is to draw doubleteams?

ChiefsCountry · 11-24-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by xbarretx

jokes aside, are you saying he was supposed to get upfield in college and here his job is to draw doubleteams?

Pretty much.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-24-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

But, and this is my opinion and were all entitled to having one, I really don't think Dorsey will be a good football player. I dont see it.

No, your entitlement to an opinion has been revoked.

xbarretx · 11-24-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Pretty much.

well HTF does Herm/Gun expect to get sacks if we apparently arent going for them? if he cant get upfield then who IS supposed to?

thx btw

Sure-Oz · 11-24-2008, 12:33 PM

I love it you throw a rookie DT under the bus, when there are way more problems on this team and people to throw under the bus

PhillyChiefFan · 11-24-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I have a lot of respect for Howie and thought he was a great football player.

some guys progress faster, some guys progress slower. i should of said mentioned that in my posts. But, and this is my opinion and were all entitled to having one, I really don't think Dorsey will be a good football player. I dont see it.

You absolutely do.

I just don't like seeing the worst season I have ever seen as a Chiefs fan be blamed on one guy. Yes, he was our highest pick, yes he is making millions, but money doesn't buy experience. That is a real guy out there who is trying his best to flow the sinking ship just a little while longer.

Last year at this time, least we forget, he was probably studying for an algebra test. Now he's being judged by millions of pissed off fans looking for someone's head to roll while trying to learn an extremely tough position especially for NFL players.

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsngop

He could end up being a bust, he could end up in the Hall Of Fame.

Anyone calling him a for sure bust, doesn't know how to read stat lines.

Look at all the dominant DT's in the NFL right now, then refer back to their rookie year stat lines.

It is incredibly easy to prove that a DT's rookie season doesn't prove sh*t.

That's not an opinion, it's statistical fact.

I know it may be early...but honestly i really dont like what i see in him. He is not showing any signs of progress, he gets pushed back quite a bit and often. I dont see him using any moves, its just pure raw straight bull rush 90% of the time. He lacks explosion BIGTIME. that is coming off the ball.

His footwork is absolutely terrible.

Lack or explosion and bad footwork=death for any lineman

ChiefsCountry · 11-24-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xbarretx

well HTF does Herm/Gun expect to get sacks if we apparently arent going for them? if he cant get upfield then who IS supposed to?

thx btw

Tank and Dorsey need to switch. Tank is built to be the double team blocking machine. I have no clue why those dumb idiots are doing what they are doing.

xbarretx · 11-24-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Tank and Dorsey need to switch. Tank is built to be the double team blocking machine. I have no clue why those dumb idiots are doing what they are doing.

good question. toss that one up during the next 810 call in or the next 101 the fox post game.

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

You absolutely do.

I just don't like seeing the worst season I have ever seen as a Chiefs fan be blamed on one guy. Yes, he was our highest pick, yes he is making millions, but money doesn't buy experience. That is a real guy out there who is trying his best to flow the sinking ship just a little while longer.

Last year at this time, least we forget, he was probably studying for an algebra test. Now he's being judged by millions of pissed off fans looking for someone's head to roll while trying to learn an extremely tough position especially for NFL players.

It's not fair to point fingers. Not saying he is the reason for the worst Chiefs season ever? but he is part of the equation? It's not all on him, its a combination of a lot of things for this absolute disaster. I believe ownership is the root of the problem.

**pr_capone** · 11-24-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

No, you're entitlement to an opinion has been revoked.

PhillyChiefFan · 11-24-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

It's not fair to point fingers. Not saying he is the reason for the worst Chiefs season ever? but he is part of the equation? It's not all on him, its a combination of a lot of things for this absolute disaster. I believe ownership is the root of the problem.

I will agree with your last statement, for sure.

Give him time. If he hasn't made strides in a year and begins to become the DT that he has the potential to become, then I'll completely agree with you.

As for now, your assessment of him is limited, as is everyone else's.

He is raw, but has talent and A LOT of upside.

Sapp had 27 Tackles 1 int in his rookie season.

Dorsey has already exceeded his tackles and matched his int stats. Plus forced a fumble in less games.

I just think everyone expected him to come in and explode off the ball, and pancake opposing guards. I knew that he would be slow in coming, DT's always are unless they have more talent on either side of them, which Dorsey most definatly does not have.

I believe he will be good and a much needed motivational leader for the Chiefs.

talastan · 11-24-2008, 12:50 PM

Dorsey is doing great for a rookie DT. I'd be interested to see the average years of playing some of these veteran O-lineman that Dorsey is positioned against. I honestly don't remember any real rookie guards or centers that he has played against, or any backups for that matter. Has he played against any?

The fact is the past five games are strictly on Herm/Gun's _efense as a unit. We can't get a pass rush, and our LB can't tackle for Shite. IMO Dorsey is the only one consistantly driving throughout the game. He is drawing the most double teams, and is the one who has IMO gotten the best penetration at the LOS, when we have gotten penetration.

PhillyChiefFan · 11-24-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by talastan

He is drawing the most double teams, and is the one who has IMO gotten the best penetration at the LOS, when we have gotten penetration.

So true, he draws double teams, and that SHOULD open up the opportunity for sacks or tackles for loss by other lineman/DE's. Sometimes the stats don't tell the whole truth of the player.

Sure-Oz · 11-24-2008, 12:54 PM

This will be a fun thread to bring up when dorsey gets help and coaching around him

11-24-2008, 11:08 AM
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