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KCJohnny · 07:23 AM

Chiefs Players: Don't Blame Herm

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• Among the players lobbying for Herm Edwards’ retention as Chiefs coach was QB Tyler Thigpen, whom Edwards has identified as his anticipated starter in 2009 should he be around to make that decision.

“I hope we’re not playing for his job,” said Thigpen, who saw the Chiefs build the “Pistol” offense around his spread-quarterback abilities at midseason.

“We’ve had some tough ones this year, but I don’t think his job should be in jeopardy,” Thigpen added. “He’s done what he should have done this year. Don’t blame him at all. If anyone wants to say that, come take it up with me.”

• Added Pro Bowl G Brian Waters, who was selected to his fourth Pro Bowl last week:

“Herm, without a shadow of a doubt, is the most resilient person in this organization. He understands the cards he was dealt when he got here (in 2006), and he understands what he has to deal with this season.

“If anybody leads by example, it’s him. He comes to work every day with the same energy, and he has not let this situation affect him one way or another. I don’t know of many coaches that could hold it together through the things we’ve had to go through for the past three years. I think a lot of coaches in that situation would be looking for the door.”

Reading the tea leaves, if Edwards is retained, Thiggy could be his guy. With Quinn Gray as a similarly styled athletic shotgun QB, the mold could be set for Pistol II. Chan Gailey is somehow omitted from the article, the true architect of the KC Pistol. I am wondering if Gailey's style of offense is ultimately welcome in Herm's scheme of maneuver. The low TOP figures (a mere 25 minutes last Sunday) and low rushing attempts (just 15 carries for RBs) are not BucBall.

I think that if Herm is retained (as some players seem to support) that Gailey should be given a blank check and maybe even some more weapons. Clearly, the emerging strength of the team is it's offense. Makes you wonder what a new GM/HC tandem might do with the Chiefs' roster...

Reerun_KC · 12-23-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

This mindset is quite fascinating to me. Many people have said they don't want Herm here next season, because they're afraid he'll win too many games and end up with an extension.

OK?

You think we could have a big turnaround, get over .500, and have a good young team (built by Herm). But you don't want the guy that made that happen? You're afraid we'd eventually lose in the playoffs? We've only been to the playoffs twice in the last decade, but another playoff appearance wouldn't be good enough for you? For shit's sake.... I think the only way some people will be happy is if a new coach came in and took us to the Superbowl the first year with every draft pick in the pro bowl.... No time for progress, we can't be losing a playoff game... that'd be terrible...

I just can't understand how you can wish for a coach to get fired because you're afraid he'll win too many games next year and deserve a contract extension... That's just putting dislike for the guy ahead of the team's progress....

I will protect you Herm! KC Fish to the rescue!

FringeNC · 12-23-2008, 10:42 AM

Why would a new GM retain Herm in his lame duck year? His other choice would be to extend Herm. Neither of the choices will be palatable to a new GM. When it was announced that Kuharich was not a candidate, Herm was effectively fired.

Brock · 12-23-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

This mindset is quite fascinating to me. Many people have said they don't want Herm here next season, because they're afraid he'll win too many games and end up with an extension.

OK?

You think we could have a big turnaround, get over .500, and have a good young team (built by Herm). But you don't want the guy that made that happen? You're afraid we'd eventually lose in the playoffs? We've only been to the playoffs twice in the last decade, but another playoff appearance wouldn't be good enough for you? For shit's sake.... I think the only way some people will be happy is if a new coach came in and took us to the Superbowl the first year with every draft pick in the pro bowl.... No time for progress, we can't be losing a playoff game... that'd be terrible...

I just can't understand how you can wish for a coach to get fired because you're afraid he'll win too many games next year and deserve a contract extension... That's just putting dislike for the guy ahead of the team's progress....

I think you'll get another season just like this one if Herm is brought back. That's why I don't want him brought back. He's a bad gameday coach.

Reerun_KC · 12-23-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Why would a new GM retain Herm in his lame duck year? His other choice would be to extend Herm. Neither of the choices will be palatable to a new GM. When it was announced that Kuharich was not a candidate, Herm was effectively fired.

Which has caused Herm to throw a temper tantrum so far... Already said he is not interested in working for a new GM and told his coaches to start looking for job...

Herm is a lame duck, Firing him on monday would be the best thing this franchise has done in 20 years.

SenselessChiefsFan · 12-23-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

of course some of the players want him back....their job is secure that way. You will have to give some proof about jets talking about how much better Herm was as a coach. Show the complaints about Belichick until Brady. You can't throw crap out there without proof. Chiefs been rebulding for two years.
This isn't about Herm's likeability, this is about his results. 6-26 says he is not much of a coach. THese results get people fired in the business world.

Foolish. These are premier athletes that care more about winning than job security. They don't want to be secure in a job for a team that is always losing.

Bellichick was fired in Cleveland. His offensive numbers were very similar to Herm's prior to finding Brady. Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember Belichick as the Browns head coach.

Reerun_KC · 12-23-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I think you'll get another season just like this one if Herm is brought back. That's why I don't want him brought back. He's a bad gameday coach.

Agree, it just further sets the development back even more.. Hell Herm and Gun cant even develop all the first day talent on the Dline...

Reerun_KC · 12-23-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Foolish. These are premier athletes that care more about winning than job security. They don't want to be secure in a job for a team that is always losing.

Bellichick was fired in Cleveland. His offensive numbers were very similar to Herm's prior to finding Brady. Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember Belichick as the Browns head coach.

Dont care about Bellichick and the Browns, It will be years before Herm sees another HC job. He is gooing to have to prove himself as a DC somewhere in a few years... His mouth proves he can talk a big game, but his results fail his ego and mouth...

FringeNC · 12-23-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Which has caused Herm to throw a temper tantrum so far... Already said he is not interested in working for a new GM and told his coaches to start looking for job...

Herm is a lame duck, Firing him on monday would be the best thing this franchise has done in 20 years.

I don't know. Carl did hire him, and give up a frickin draft pick for the rights to that clown. Firing Carl was a pretty good thing, too.

Reerun_KC · 12-23-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

I don't know. Carl did hire him, and give up a frickin draft pick for the rights to that clown. Firing Carl was a pretty good thing, too.

Okay, I should of said second best thing to happen in 20 years...

That would of been more correct?

triple · 12-23-2008, 10:49 AM

I think Herm is an average coach, except for those three hours sunday afternoon, during which he is the worst coach in the NFL

kcfanXIII · 12-23-2008, 10:51 AM

this just in, herm throwing this thread under the bus.

ChiefsCountry · 12-23-2008, 10:52 AM

I still think Herm should go the college route ala Carroll or Saban. He is player friendly, likes young guys, and wants total control. That is college coach to a T. Also alot of your coaching flaws can be over looked in college if you have top talent which I think Herm could recruit.

Reerun_KC · 12-23-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I still think Herm should go the college route ala Carroll or Saban. He is player friendly, likes young guys, and wants total control. That is college coach to a T. Also alot of your coaching flaws can be over looked in college if you have top talent which I think Herm could recruit.

hell yeah, send him to MU!

Fish · 12-23-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I think you'll get another season just like this one if Herm is brought back. That's why I don't want him brought back. He's a bad gameday coach.

OK. I can understand that perfectly. But I still don't get the people who are afraid of Herm coming back and winning so many games that he might be kept around.

And I've always believed that "gameday coaching" from the head coach is overrated. It's a professional team. The head coach is there on gameday for motivation and guidance. That's why he's on the sideline and not upstairs watching the plays develop. The coordinators do that. They call the plays, and they have the ability to change the scheme when necessary. That doesn't resolve Herm of some of the gameday mistakes he's made, but I question whether a different coach in the same situation would have made any huge difference. When it comes down to it, the coach can say whatever he wants. But the players have to execute on the field. And no amount of coaching can force the players to execute. Without execution on the field, coaching in itself is helpless. And with a team this young, you're not going to have all the players executing well at the same time. It's part of being inexperienced.

Otter · 12-23-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Why would a new GM retain Herm in his lame duck year? His other choice would be to extend Herm. Neither of the choices will be palatable to a new GM. When it was announced that Kuharich was not a candidate, Herm was effectively fired.

This is what I see happening. There will be a 'thanks, but no thanks' said behind closed doors and a 'Herm is great but we're going a different direction with our new GM' speech and merciful end for all of us.

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