Chiefs Whose fault is Tamba Hali?

unothadeal · 01-17-2009, 07:58 PM

Are the coaches to blame for Hali's drop off in numbers? His first two seasons he had 8 and 7.5 sacks. This season he only had 3. Is it not the same three coaches (Edwards, Gunther, Krumrie) coaching him throughout his career?

Why all of a sudden do his sack numbers drop so significantly?

Is it Hali himself who isn't motivated? What happened to Herm's motivational skills?

Is Hali a 1st round bust just like Ryan Sims who's lack of talent was hidden by Jared Allen's great play?

Are the coaches to blame for his 3 sacks this season or is Hali?

Hammock Parties · 01-17-2009, 08:00 PM

He should never have been moved to RE.

He's not a bust he can be a complementary player on a defense that has a great pass rusher.

Mecca · 01-17-2009, 08:00 PM

I'm not sure what a coach can do for him..

He's a physically maxed out player that was pretty polished the day he was drafted, a guy like that isn't going to get a whole lot better. When the league starts figuring him out he has to find another way to make plays because he doesn't have the pure talent to just beat a guy.

When you have all the moves and techniques down but don't have great talent this is what happens...you can't just teach a guy to grow more talent.

kcxiv · 01-17-2009, 08:00 PM

I dont think he's a star or will ever be or intended to be, but he has been hurt lately. I think he's going to suffer from the Carlos Hall syndrome with his knee's.

Anyways, they took a shot and it didnt work out. Not to mention them trying to put him in JA's spot.

**RealSNR** · 01-17-2009, 08:00 PM

Tamba Hali is Tamba Hali's fault, I'm guessing.

**RealSNR** · 01-17-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

He should never have been moved to RE.

He's not a bust he can be a complementary player on a defense that has a great pass rusher.

Yep. He's definitely not a playmaker by himself like Jared Allen was

Mecca · 01-17-2009, 08:02 PM

Tamba Hali's parents are the ones to blame.....he tries hard he just doesn't have the natural talent to make it work.

You can blame the Chiefs for taking a player like that in the 1st round.

Hammock Parties · 01-17-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

he doesn't have the pure talent to just beat a guy.

I disagree. His first two years he was beating right tackles around the edge consistently. Hell, if he had wrapped up the quarterback in 2007 he would have had 14 sacks.

Halfcan · 01-17-2009, 08:02 PM

Hali will bounce back.

Chief Roundup · 01-17-2009, 08:04 PM

I wouldn't doubt that it is a combination of things.
Changing positions is not easy to do either.
There is not much to demand a double team on our DL.
There is not good enough coaching to help him get through the "sophmore slump".
There is not much reason to have a lot of motivation playing on the squad. Sometimes it is easier to keep that motor going for 2 or 3 more seconds when you believe and trust in the other players around you.

Mecca · 01-17-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I disagree. His first two years he was beating right tackles around the edge consistently. Hell, if he had wrapped up the quarterback in 2007 he would have had 14 sacks.

And now we're to this point where the league starts to figure a guy out...Hali was what he was on draft day, his best year in the league was his 1st year...that speaks to a guy who's maxed out coaching isn't going to help him.

He'll either remain what he is or get worse.

L.A. Chieffan · 01-17-2009, 08:07 PM

hay guyz what do you think about Hali being moved to RE? you think that that might have been it. i bet it was because he got moved to RE. Hes's not a RE. they shouldnt have moved him to RE. hes ok but not at RE. RE is bad for Hali. if he stayed at LE he wouldve been okl but not at RE

keg in kc · 01-17-2009, 08:10 PM

He's always hurt. I'm not sure whose fault that is, but I think that's the real issue. It's not major injury/IR kind of stuff, so maybe people don't even realize he's got them since he doesn't miss games, but he's had a nagging, season-long injuries the last two years -- foot problems in '07 and leg problems in '08. Bad wheels are not a good thing for a defensive end. Either way, one year was bad luck; two years is a trend. And that's a shame.

EyePod · 01-17-2009, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan

He should never have been moved to RE.

He's not a bust he can be a complementary player on a defense that has a great pass rusher.

I think you can't label him as a bust... but he's still underperformed by a lot.

el borracho · 01-17-2009, 08:14 PM

1. Hali obviously isn't that good to begin with.
2. Jared Allen's production boosted Hali's numbers.
3. Hali was helplessly overmatched on the right.

I hope we let him walk whenever his rookie contract is up and draft a real DE.

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unothadeal HOF 20?? Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3206120	Whose fault is Tamba Hali? Are the coaches to blame for Hali's drop off in numbers? His first two seasons he had 8 and 7.5 sacks. This season he only had 3. Is it not the same three coaches (Edwards, Gunther, Krumrie) coaching him throughout his career? Why all of a sudden do his sack numbers drop so significantly? Is it Hali himself who isn't motivated? What happened to Herm's motivational skills? Is Hali a 1st round bust just like Ryan Sims who's lack of talent was hidden by Jared Allen's great play? Are the coaches to blame for his 3 sacks this season or is Hali?
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	I'm not sure what a coach can do for him.. He's a physically maxed out player that was pretty polished the day he was drafted, a guy like that isn't going to get a whole lot better. When the league starts figuring him out he has to find another way to make plays because he doesn't have the pure talent to just beat a guy. When you have all the moves and techniques down but don't have great talent this is what happens...you can't just teach a guy to grow more talent.
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kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8697996	I dont think he's a star or will ever be or intended to be, but he has been hurt lately. I think he's going to suffer from the Carlos Hall syndrome with his knee's. Anyways, they took a shot and it didnt work out. Not to mention them trying to put him in JA's spot.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	Tamba Hali's parents are the ones to blame.....he tries hard he just doesn't have the natural talent to make it work. You can blame the Chiefs for taking a player like that in the 1st round.
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Chief Roundup Admitted Planet Junky Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $-1628373	I wouldn't doubt that it is a combination of things. Changing positions is not easy to do either. There is not much to demand a double team on our DL. There is not good enough coaching to help him get through the "sophmore slump". There is not much reason to have a lot of motivation playing on the squad. Sometimes it is easier to keep that motor going for 2 or 3 more seconds when you believe and trust in the other players around you. __________________ Fanaticism is nowhere. There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
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L.A. Chieffan PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: American Gardens Building Casino cash: $2688654	hay guyz what do you think about Hali being moved to RE? you think that that might have been it. i bet it was because he got moved to RE. Hes's not a RE. they shouldnt have moved him to RE. hes ok but not at RE. RE is bad for Hali. if he stayed at LE he wouldve been okl but not at RE
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	He's always hurt. I'm not sure whose fault that is, but I think that's the real issue. It's not major injury/IR kind of stuff, so maybe people don't even realize he's got them since he doesn't miss games, but he's had a nagging, season-long injuries the last two years -- foot problems in '07 and leg problems in '08. Bad wheels are not a good thing for a defensive end. Either way, one year was bad luck; two years is a trend. And that's a shame.
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01-17-2009, 08:14 PM	#15
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2459148	1. Hali obviously isn't that good to begin with. 2. Jared Allen's production boosted Hali's numbers. 3. Hali was helplessly overmatched on the right. I hope we let him walk whenever his rookie contract is up and draft a real DE.
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