Warren Sapp on Dorsey and LJ (NFL.com chat)

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Kevin , Springfield MO 04:48 PM ET
Hey Warren, Was it hard for you to transition from a four man front in Tampa to a 3 man front in Oakland? Do you think Glenn Dorsey can do it in K.C.?

Warren Sapp, NFL Network
Glenn Dorsey's in trouble and so is Kansas City for trying to force him. Thank God I only had to do it for 16 games. It's not hard, it just takes away all the advantages you possess. Being fast, quick, agile in the 4-3. The 3-4 doesn't allow your talents to come out.

Joey, Kansas City, MO 05:30 PM ET
Your Opinion on Larry Johnson and how he will do this year and why??

Warren Sapp, NFL Network
I think if Larry Johnson takes in some good quality offseason work, I think he can get 1,700-1,800 yards and double-digit touchdowns. He's a nightmare to tackle.

I never really cared for much for Sapp while he was playing.

Some of the stuff he has said on NFLN since he has retired I agreed with, some of it I thought was way off base.

Not sure here if his comment about Dorsey is him thinking they are playing him at DT or DE???

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Just a little homerish I would say.

No it isn't.

Bell was every bit as good as LT as a pass rusher, and better as both a run defender and in pass coverage.

The only reason that LT is remembered is because he was asked to rush the passer more than Bell, and sacks weren't a stat in Bell's day.

But he is thought to have over 80 sacks in his career, and I highly doubt that he rushed the passer 1 time for every 4 times that LT did.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by milkman

No it isn't.

Bell was every bit as good as LT as a pass rusher, and better as both a run defender and in pass coverage.

The only reason that LT is remembered is because he was asked to rush the passer more than Bell, and sacks weren't a stat in Bell's day.

But he is thought to have over 80 sacks in his career, and I highly doubt that he rushed the passer 1 time for every 4 times that LT did.

Put Bell on a mega-market team in the comparatively media-saturated 80s and he'd have been as big as LT.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by milkman

No it isn't.

Bell was every bit as good as LT as a pass rusher, and better as both a run defender and in pass coverage.

The only reason that LT is remembered is because he was asked to rush the passer more than Bell, and sacks weren't a stat in Bell's day.

But he is thought to have over 80 sacks in his career, and I highly doubt that he rushed the passer 1 time for every 4 times that LT did.

I won't pretend that I'm old enough to have seen him play, but I haven't heard him listed at the very top of linebackers in most "all time" NFL teams and the like.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I won't pretend that I'm old enough to have seen him play, but I haven't heard him listed at the very top of linebackers in most "all time" NFL teams and the like.

Because he was in the AFL for much of his career and was overshadowed by one of the very best MLBs to ever play the game in Willie Lanier.

If, however, sacks had been a stat in his day, and he had been used in the same way as LT, then he would have been the one overshadowing Willie, and I say this as the biggest Willie Lanier fan on this board, my favorite all time player.

But the fact is, having watched both, if I had to choose between Bobby Bell or LT to build around, I'm takin Bobby, and it wouldn't take me more than a second to decide.

[Hammock Parties]

Bobby Bell didn't do coke, either.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by milkman

Because he was in the AFL for much of his career and was overshadowed by one of the very best MLBs to ever play the game in Willie Lanier.

If, however, sacks had been a stat in his day, and he had been used in the same way as LT, then he would have been the one overshadowing Willie, and I say this as the biggest Willie Lanier fan on this board, my favorite all time player.

But the fact is, having watched both, if I had to choose between Bobby Bell or LT to build around, I'm takin Bobby, and it wouldn't take me more than a second to decide.

Get a non-Chiefs fan to weigh in and I'll start listening.

Not trying to be a jerk, but homerism is rampant everywhere, and I'm guilty of it too. I never saw Bell play, but I've hardly ever heard him held in the type of reverence you describe. Maybe he was all that, but I'd believe it alot mroe if I heard it from an old-time NFL player or whatever.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Get a non-Chiefs fan to weigh in and I'll start listening.

Not trying to be a jerk, but homerism is rampant everywhere, and I'm guilty of it too. I never saw Bell play, but I've hardly ever heard him held in the type of reverence you describe. Maybe he was all that, but I'd believe it alot mroe if I heard it from an old-time NFL player or whatever.

FTR, I have heard John Clayton discuss Bell in much the same way as I have.

As for me, I don't think that many would call me a homer.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Get a non-Chiefs fan to weigh in and I'll start listening.

Not trying to be a jerk, but homerism is rampant everywhere, and I'm guilty of it too. I never saw Bell play, but I've hardly ever heard him held in the type of reverence you describe. Maybe he was all that, but I'd believe it alot mroe if I heard it from an old-time NFL player or whatever.

milkman isn't much of a homer. For years he has had Bobby Bell as one of the best ever, so it isn't a new development either.

Plus he's old enough to have been a rational thinking adult when Bell played .

Really though, he hasn't ever though TG was one of the all time greats. Shit, even most of you guys think he's an all time great! He's been very candid about Green and Holmes and especially LJ.

I wouldn't call milkman a homer.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

LT had one skill? You're wrong. LT was extremely good against the run also.

BB showed film one of LT showing how great he was at a number of things. One clip I remember in particular is him flattening out down the LOS and tackling the RB before he slipped through the hole htat had been created for him on the RIGHT side of the offense (when LT played on the offensive left).

DT had one skill. LT was by far the better player, because he was as good at rushing the passer, and was also very good at everything else. LT was probably the greatest LB ever because of his total package of skills.



This part I agree with.

I'll defer to you on that. I didn't have nearly the exposure to LT as DT.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Jilly

Depends on what story you get

Oh I bet it's Sulleo and Jilliet.

[OctoberFart]

Originally Posted by Claythan

He's not. He's comparing himself to Dorsey. Sapp played 3-4 DE for a season in Oakland, and horribly sucked at it.

Problem is in your lack of football knowledge. In Oakland Sapp was wasted in a 2 gap scheme which was a complete waste of his strengths. Clancy P plays more of a 30/4-3 under group with 3-4 players and is more of a 1 gap penetrating scheme. Dorsey could fit in that scheme much better than a 2 gap 3-4.