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**SAUTO** · 10-07-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Dumbass, the subject was cutting him after 2 years.

You should know, you started it:

well i cant read your mind. you asked about a qb being drafted/traded for with a 1 or 2 and then cut after 2 years starting. Someone gave you one and then you asked about his contract. Sorry thats moving the posts. If you wanted to talk contract you should have included that in your question

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-07-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

you used an arrowhead pride link yourself, but when it shows that i may be making some sense you want to find something else. You are such a peach

The link I posted parroted what had been reported nationally.

If you want to trust AP over Jason LaConfora, be my guest. And I was off by a million. $15M in 2009 - which again, doesn't jive with the numbers AP provided.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/07/14/deta...th-the-chiefs/

Matt Cassel signed a six-year contract with the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday, making him one of the highest-paid players in the NFL.

Cassel, who rose from obscure backup to starting quarterback with the New England Patriots last season after Tom Brady was injured, was traded to the Chiefs in February. Cassel had been designated a franchise player by the Patriots.

Cassel, 27, will earn a maximum of more than $60 million in his new deal, according to a league source, with $28 million guaranteed. He will earn $40.5 million over the first three years and $15 million in 2009, figures that put him among the upper echelon of players in the NFL.

Acquiring Cassel was the first key personnel move for new Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who had been with the quarterback in New England. Brady’s return from injury made Cassel expendable for the Patriots.

– Jason La Canfora

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-07-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

well i cant read your mind. you asked about a qb being drafted/traded for with a 1 or 2 and then cut after 2 years starting. Someone gave you one and then you asked about his contract. Sorry thats moving the posts. If you wanted to talk contract you should have included that in your question

You ****ing moron, there's no reason to "read my mind," I'm the one who tied the contract to the question in post 117.

And even if I hadn't, you look like a ****ing reerun trying to claim that his contract isn't a determining factor in all of this.

That's the whole ****ing point - had we NOT signed him to this deal, we could have cut him WHENEVER THE **** WE WANTED.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-07-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

sorry man but i'm done with you

6 posts and 40 minutes later...

A true man of his word.

Mecca · 10-07-2009, 05:07 PM

He just has an odd definition of done.

**SAUTO** · 10-07-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You ****ing moron, there's no reason to "read my mind," I'm the one who tied the contract to the question in post 117.

And even if I hadn't, you look like a ****ing reerun trying to claim that his contract isn't a determining factor in all of this.

That's the whole ****ing point - had we NOT signed him to this deal, we could have cut him WHENEVER THE **** WE WANTED.

post 117 had to do with CASSEL, not " name one qb who was traded/drafted in the 1st or 2nd and cut after 2 seasons starting" that was 130 and you said nothing about a contract

**SAUTO** · 10-07-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You ****ing moron, there's no reason to "read my mind," I'm the one who tied the contract to the question in post 117.

And even if I hadn't, you look like a ****ing reerun trying to claim that his contract isn't a determining factor in all of this.

That's the whole ****ing point - had we NOT signed him to this deal, we could have cut him WHENEVER THE **** WE WANTED.

and paid 14 mil for one year 28 for two.

**SAUTO** · 10-07-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The link I posted parroted what had been reported nationally.

If you want to trust AP over Jason LaConfora, be my guest. And I was off by a million. $15M in 2009 - which again, doesn't jive with the numbers AP provided.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/07/14/deta...th-the-chiefs/

Matt Cassel signed a six-year contract with the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday, making him one of the highest-paid players in the NFL.

Cassel, who rose from obscure backup to starting quarterback with the New England Patriots last season after Tom Brady was injured, was traded to the Chiefs in February. Cassel had been designated a franchise player by the Patriots.

Cassel, 27, will earn a maximum of more than $60 million in his new deal, according to a league source, with $28 million guaranteed. He will earn $40.5 million over the first three years and $15 million in 2009, figures that put him among the upper echelon of players in the NFL.

Acquiring Cassel was the first key personnel move for new Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who had been with the quarterback in New England. Brady’s return from injury made Cassel expendable for the Patriots.

– Jason La Canfora

he said that all 2nd hand. AND you posted a link to AP yourself

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-07-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

sorry man but i'm done with you

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

6 posts and 40 minutes later...

A true man of his word.

Make that 9 posts and an hour later....

**SAUTO** · 10-07-2009, 05:22 PM

Theres two sides to this argument:

1: yours=assumption NOTHING backs you up
2:mine:hypothesis, i looked at what he would have gotten for 2 years and looked at what he's still guaranteed. When the numbers were almost identical i thought about it and could see what MAY BE.

See the difference? you are assuming, i formed a hypothesis.

**SAUTO** · 10-07-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Make that 9 posts and an hour later....

I'm sure you would like for me to stop due to the fact you look more and more like an ass the more you post

BigRock · 10-07-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I've been looking for the link, but that info is contradictory to what I read from Jason LaConfora of NFLN.

How so?

If LaConfora is right and Cassel's making $15M this year, we can take the $5M base salary AP says he's making and add $10M in bonus money to it.

AP says he's making $11.25M in bonuses his first two years, so that leaves $1.25M leftover in bonuses for 2010. And they say he's making $11.75M in base next year. That's $13M in total.

$15M in year one and $13M in year two is $28M.

The only thing I can see that doesn't add up is that LaCanfora says Cassel would make $40.5M in the first three years, which would be $12.5M in year three. AP's figures say he's making a base salary of $4.75M, which would mean a bonus of $7.75M. But they only list his year-three bonus as $7.5M, which ends up being 250K short. That could just be a typo or something, though.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Regardless, I'm standing by my claim. He'll be here in 2011, even if he plays bad in 2009/2010.

That's fine, but whether or not they cut him, we should at least acknowledge that his contract does indeed appear to be structured where he CAN be cut after two years. In fact, it's slightly cheaper having him under this deal than it would have been to keep him on a yearly basis for two years.

As I've said since the deal was announced, unless someone actually thinks they would have traded a 2nd round pick and gotten rid of Cassel after one season, I don't know how anyone can complain about the contract they signed him to.

**SAUTO** · 10-07-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

How so?

If LaConfora is right and Cassel's making $15M this year, we can take the $5M base salary AP says he's making and add $10M in bonus money to it.

AP says he's making $11.25M in bonuses his first two years, so that leaves $1.25M leftover in bonuses for 2010. And they say he's making $11.75M in base next year. That's $13M in total.

$15M in year one and $13M in year two is $28M.

The only thing I can see that doesn't add up is that LaCanfora says Cassel would make $40.5M in the first three years, which would be $12.5M in year three. AP's figures say he's making a base salary of $4.75M, which would mean a bonus of $7.75M. But they only list his year-three bonus as $7.5M, which ends up being 250K short. That could just be a typo or something, though.

That's fine, but whether or not they cut him, we should at least acknowledge that his contract does indeed appear to be structured where he CAN be cut after two years. In fact, it's slightly cheaper having him under this deal than it would have been to keep him on a yearly basis for two years.

As I've said since the deal was announced, unless someone actually thinks they would have traded a 2nd round pick and gotten rid of Cassel after one season, I don't know how anyone can complain about the contract they signed him to.

Come on enough with facts that back up something, we like to just assume out of the blue around here

BigRock · 10-07-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Come on enough with facts that back up something, we like to just assume out of the blue around here

**SAUTO** · 10-07-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

thanks

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SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	Theres two sides to this argument: 1: yours=assumption NOTHING backs you up 2:mine:hypothesis, i looked at what he would have gotten for 2 years and looked at what he's still guaranteed. When the numbers were almost identical i thought about it and could see what MAY BE. See the difference? you are assuming, i formed a hypothesis.
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