Chiefs Deep Thoughts: By OnTheWarpath58 - Page 4

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-12-2009, 09:04 AM

Getting ready to watch the broadcast now, but I thought I'd share my thoughts from yesterday with Tiny and Clayton watching from Section 334 at Arrowhead.

Do they call it "offense" because it's offensive?

Watching from the upper level end zone gives you an opporunity to see the entire field, plays develop, etc - and just as suspected, our WR's ARE getting open. Cassel IS holding the ball too long. I lost count at how many times Bowe wasn't the 1st or second read.

There were a few plays that come to mind that Clay and I discussed. One was a completion to Ryan, where he ran 10-15 yards up the seam, then hitched, and Cassel hit him. Cassel's eyes never left Ryan, and I asked where the **** he would have gone with the ball had Ryan not been open. You can't lock onto one ****ing guy in this league.

Another, where Bowe ran a 10 yard out, was wide open, and Cassel threw the ball away.

Guys WERE open yesterday, but Cassel has to realize that guys aren't going to be WIDE ****ING OPEN like they were in NE. If the WR has a step, get the ****ing ball in there.

Which he did on the game tying drive. So if we can program Matt Cassel's brain to think that every drive is do or die, he might become a solid QB. Otherwise, we have a "franchise QB" that's afraid to throw the ball in tight spots.

Speaking of OL, pass protection and run blocking became noticably improved when Goff left the game.

So, should they call the defense "offense" as well? They are offensive too.

I'll start with the only two positives I saw.

Glenn Dorsey had his best game of the season. And I thought that Flowers had a good game as well, though I don't recall them throwing at him much - there were several plays that he either made the play in run support, or turned the RB back inside to the big boys, usually Mays.

Mike Brown is a slower, dumber, undisciplined version of Bernard Pollard. I'm sure that Leggett is getting all the blame for the Austin TD's, but had Brown done his job, they would have been 15 yard gains instead of 60.

Mike Vrabel shoudl stick to playing TE, because he's ****ing worthless as a LB.

Another game giving up 500 yards of offense, 150 of it on the ground, and I'm sure someone, somewhere has said something to the effect of the "defense is getting better." Bullshit.

The Cowboys were the gift that kept on giving, and we said "**** you."

I don't recall a game where the opposition did this much to give a game to the Chiefs. A bounty of gifts wrapped in nice paper and a bow, and we shunned it like it was socks and underwear from Great Aunt Gertrude.

13 penalties. 4 fumbles, two of which we recovered and started drives in/near the red zone. (Thanks for half out points, Dallas!) Austin dropped 2 TD passes, and there was a 3rd at our end of the stadium that was dropped, and I don't recall who the WR was.

And the best gift of all: Starting a drive in OT from the 50 ****ing yard line, and getting ONE YARD. Nothing like getting that bike you wanted for Christmas, then getting so excited you decided to take it for a spin before Dad installed the seat. Ouch.

Someone tell Dorothy that "there's no place like home" is a crock of shit

At bare minimum, half the stadium was in blue, and personally I think we were outnumbered. Reminded me of the game in STL back in 2006 where we outnumbered Rams fans. Dallas fans were loader when thier team needed it that Chiefs fans were, crowd noise was even a factor on an offensive penalty we committed.

Wait 'til Pittsburgh comes in, it'll be 75/25 Steelers fans.

Greatest fans in the NFL, my ass.

That's it from memory, I'll probably post additional thoughts as the TV broadcast sparks some more.

DaWolf · 10-12-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Cassel is definitely holding on to the ball too long in some situations.
No question about that.

To win he'll need to take more chances, but he will also need this Offensive Line to give him time to go through his reads.

He's not turning the ball over so I suppose all isn't lost.

I have a feeling that after the Oakland game, he was basically told not to turn the ball over, which is leading to a lot of the hesitation. When a coach is constantly pounding into your head that turnovers are unacceptable, you are not going to be taking chances, especially with this O.

The reason Trent Green had so many INTs his first year here was that Vermeil was installing a super aggressive passing offense, which preaches throwing downfield and taking chances. They didn't stray too far from that even though the first year they didn't have the talent they needed. Right now you've got to question how these guys are being coached...

B_Ambuehl · 10-12-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Our WR's ARE getting open. Cassel IS holding the ball too long. I lost count at how many times Bowe wasn't the 1st or second read.

There were a few plays that come to mind that Clay and I discussed. One was a completion to Ryan, where he ran 10-15 yards up the seam, then hitched, and Cassel hit him. Cassel's eyes never left Ryan, and I asked where the **** he would have gone with the ball had Ryan not been open. You can't lock onto one ****ing guy in this league.

Another, where Bowe ran a 10 yard out, was wide open, and Cassel threw the ball away.

Guys WERE open yesterday, but Cassel has to realize that guys aren't going to be WIDE ****ING OPEN like they were in NE. If the WR has a step, get the ****ing ball in there.

Exactly what I said back when we signed him:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=28

chiefzilla1501 · 10-12-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

This, and some of us have been saying it all year.

Yes, there is pressure sometimes.

But very honestly, the OL has given him more time that people here are giving credit for, only to see Cassel get a case of happy feet and panic.

He's falling victim to as much "phantom" pressure as he is real pressure.

There is pressure a lot. And when there isn't pressure, there is no pocket and no passing window.

Between Waters, Niswanger, or Goff, one of those guys either misses a block or gets immediately pushed back on almost every single play. And it's usually Goff.

People assume that just because a QB has time, he's not being affected by the pass rush. That's just not true.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-12-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Excellent analysis, OTWP58!

The I noticed immediately was that when Smith replaced Albert and Alleman replaced Goof, the running lanes opened up, Cassel appeared more confident and the offense put together a good drive. Why Goof returned to the game was beyond me.

The bottom line for me is that Alleman is far superior to Goof and that the Chiefs need to get Wade Smith on the field, whether it's at center or right tackle.

He's far too athletic to be sitting on the bench.

100% correct. It wasn't just confidence. It was fundamentals too. When Cassel actually had a window to look through, you could see him going through his progressions like a real QB. Few top-tier QBs have even a fraction of the protection issues he has to deal with.

If Haley doesn't bench Goff after this game, then somebody needs to sit him the **** down.

Micjones · 10-12-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

I have a feeling that after the Oakland game, he was basically told not to turn the ball over, which is leading to a lot of the hesitation. When a coach is constantly pounding into your head that turnovers are unacceptable, you are not going to be taking chances, especially with this O.

The reason Trent Green had so many INTs his first year here was that Vermeil was installing a super aggressive passing offense, which preaches throwing downfield and taking chances. They didn't stray too far from that even though the first year they didn't have the talent they needed. Right now you've got to question how these guys are being coached...

Excellent point. Haley has stressed the importance of not turning the ball over since the off-season program began. I'm sure if he had his choice he'd rather Cassel go down than get picked off.

I think the playcalls substantiate that claim.

baitism · 10-12-2009, 05:46 PM

I think some of you are being a little short-sighted. Besides the fact that this team has won 2 out of their last 30 games, our economy has completely shit the bed. I am sure there are plenty of people who used to have season tickets (myself included) that just cannot afford them right now. I would never put the Chiefs before my family.

I would say it is about 50/50 Chiefs sucking and the economy that is causing reduced season ticket numbers.

**Buehler445** · 10-12-2009, 06:22 PM

Good Analysis OTW. I'm not as low on Cassel as you are. The line blows. It really does. Just badly. People were saying Manning's line is bad and he still makes plays, but the mother****ers we have don't even get out of their stances before they're beat. Did Dallas send anymore than 4 all day? And they still hit Cassel every play.

I still think Barry Richardson should be starting. Goff should retire and we should activate Ndukwe for RG. I was surprised that Wade Smith wasn't epic fail at LT. Very surprised.

milkman · 10-12-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Good Analysis OTW. I'm not as low on Cassel as you are. The line blows. It really does. Just badly. People were saying Manning's line is bad and he still makes plays, but the mother****ers we have don't even get out of their stances before they're beat. Did Dallas send anymore than 4 all day? And they still hit Cassel every play.

I still think Barry Richardson should be starting. Goff should retire and we should activate Ndukwe for RG. I was surprised that Wade Smith wasn't epic fail at LT. Very surprised.

We saw the O-Line improve markedly when Allenman replaced Goff in the game.

It was no surprise that the line play reverted to the same crap as soon as Goff re-entered the game.

**MahiMike** · 10-12-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

A receiver may be wide open, but the QB has to be able to see it to get the ball there.

Our OL is S H I T. They not only do not open passing lanes (kinda important for a QB), but they also don't hold a block for, well, they don't hold blocks. The line is a sieve... a rusted, cracked, shot up with a figging 12-guage sieve that allows defenders to pour through.

While Cassel and the receivers certainly deserves some of the blame, remember that the OL is just as important. Until we stabilize that area, it doesn't matter who we have at QB and receiver.

Exactly. The poor guy was hit over 20 times! TWENTY! Any QB would be gun shy.

I do think the defense played GREAT in the 1st half. Those turnovers don't just happen. Also, #84 couldn't catch a cold. Once they figured out Miles could catch, they just kept throwing to him.

And, what happened to my fantasy TE, Witten? I figured him for 120 and 2 TDs. But noooo, the Chiefs had to go and cover him, hmmm?

**DeezNutz** · 10-12-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Exactly. The poor guy was hit over 20 times! TWENTY! Any QB would be gun shy.

I do think the defense played GREAT in the 1st half. Those turnovers don't just happen. Also, #84 couldn't catch a cold. Once they figured out Miles could catch, they just kept throwing to him.

And, what happened to my fantasy TE, Witten? I figured him for 120 and 2 TDs. But noooo, the Chiefs had to go and cover him, hmmm?

And Choice averaging 11.5 per pop?

**SAUTO** · 10-12-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And Choice averaging 11.5 per pop?

that was the second half

Mecca · 10-12-2009, 07:01 PM

Choice killed us if they had given it to him instead of Barber that would have been a long ass day.

ChiefsCountry · 10-12-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Choice killed us if they had given it to him instead of Barber that would have been a long ass day.

Choice is going to tear up next year in Shanny's offense.

whoman69 · 10-12-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

LJ is running soft too. He does not explode into the line... he hesitates, then goes down to first contact.

Savage runs hard. Watch a couple of each players' runs, and you will see the difference.

LJ has run hard a few times this year, but for the most part, he is playing soft. I think that's why he is getting dogged.

Everyone knows the OL is shit; it is frigging obvious. Even Joe Buck and Aikman saw that.

I have to agree with that. LJ cannot bust through the middle. Several time I saw him pokey up to the line when he thought he couldn't break it and then go down with first contact. He's saving himself for life beyond the Chiefs. I have spoken up for LJ in the past. No more.

**TinyEvel** · 10-12-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Boy I tell you, Warpath would NOT shut up about Sanchez during the game. Every other play it was "Oh, Sanchez scores there." Or, "Sanchez would have hit that guy."

Awful!

I think he had an earpiece with live feed from Dane McCloud.

10-12-2009, 09:04 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Deep Thoughts: By OnTheWarpath58 Getting ready to watch the broadcast now, but I thought I'd share my thoughts from yesterday with Tiny and Clayton watching from Section 334 at Arrowhead. Do they call it "offense" because it's offensive? Watching from the upper level end zone gives you an opporunity to see the entire field, plays develop, etc - and just as suspected, our WR's ARE getting open. Cassel IS holding the ball too long. I lost count at how many times Bowe wasn't the 1st or second read. There were a few plays that come to mind that Clay and I discussed. One was a completion to Ryan, where he ran 10-15 yards up the seam, then hitched, and Cassel hit him. Cassel's eyes never left Ryan, and I asked where the ** he would have gone with the ball had Ryan not been open. You can't lock onto one ing guy in this league. Another, where Bowe ran a 10 yard out, was wide open, and Cassel threw the ball away. Guys WERE open yesterday, but Cassel has to realize that guys aren't going to be WIDE ING OPEN like they were in NE. If the WR has a step, get the ing ball in there. Which he did on the game tying drive. So if we can program Matt Cassel's brain to think that every drive is do or die, he might become a solid QB. Otherwise, we have a "franchise QB" that's afraid to throw the ball in tight spots. Speaking of OL, pass protection and run blocking became noticably improved when Goff left the game. So, should they call the defense "offense" as well? They are offensive too. I'll start with the only two positives I saw. Glenn Dorsey had his best game of the season. And I thought that Flowers had a good game as well, though I don't recall them throwing at him much - there were several plays that he either made the play in run support, or turned the RB back inside to the big boys, usually Mays. Mike Brown is a slower, dumber, undisciplined version of Bernard Pollard. I'm sure that Leggett is getting all the blame for the Austin TD's, but had Brown done his job, they would have been 15 yard gains instead of 60. Mike Vrabel shoudl stick to playing TE, because he's ing worthless as a LB. Another game giving up 500 yards of offense, 150 of it on the ground, and I'm sure someone, somewhere has said something to the effect of the "defense is getting better." Bullshit. The Cowboys were the gift that kept on giving, and we said "** you." I don't recall a game where the opposition did this much to give a game to the Chiefs. A bounty of gifts wrapped in nice paper and a bow, and we shunned it like it was socks and underwear from Great Aunt Gertrude. 13 penalties. 4 fumbles, two of which we recovered and started drives in/near the red zone. (Thanks for half out points, Dallas!) Austin dropped 2 TD passes, and there was a 3rd at our end of the stadium that was dropped, and I don't recall who the WR was. And the best gift of all: Starting a drive in OT from the 50 **ing yard line, and getting ONE YARD. Nothing like getting that bike you wanted for Christmas, then getting so excited you decided to take it for a spin before Dad installed the seat. Ouch. Someone tell Dorothy that "there's no place like home" is a crock of shit** At bare minimum, half the stadium was in blue, and personally I think we were outnumbered. Reminded me of the game in STL back in 2006 where we outnumbered Rams fans. Dallas fans were loader when thier team needed it that Chiefs fans were, crowd noise was even a factor on an offensive penalty we committed. Wait 'til Pittsburgh comes in, it'll be 75/25 Steelers fans. Greatest fans in the NFL, my ass. That's it from memory, I'll probably post additional thoughts as the TV broadcast sparks some more.
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10-12-2009, 05:46 PM	#51
baitism Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Overland Park, KS Casino cash: $3579551	I think some of you are being a little short-sighted. Besides the fact that this team has won 2 out of their last 30 games, our economy has completely shit the bed. I am sure there are plenty of people who used to have season tickets (myself included) that just cannot afford them right now. I would never put the Chiefs before my family. I would say it is about 50/50 Chiefs sucking and the economy that is causing reduced season ticket numbers.
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10-12-2009, 06:22 PM	#52
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1675266	Good Analysis OTW. I'm not as low on Cassel as you are. The line blows. It really does. Just badly. People were saying Manning's line is bad and he still makes plays, but the mother****ers we have don't even get out of their stances before they're beat. Did Dallas send anymore than 4 all day? And they still hit Cassel every play. I still think Barry Richardson should be starting. Goff should retire and we should activate Ndukwe for RG. I was surprised that Wade Smith wasn't epic fail at LT. Very surprised.
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10-12-2009, 07:01 PM	#57
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Choice killed us if they had given it to him instead of Barber that would have been a long ass day.
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