Combine Winners and Losers - Page 4

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2010, 01:56 PM

These are my opinions, but obviously borrowed from the research of others

Winners:

OL:

Russell Okung. Showed very good athleticism, ideal size, and good strength. Solidified himself as the consensus #1 tackle according to scouts (even if I think he's not).

Bruce Campbell. Absolute ****ing freak. Same size as Okung, even more athletic. Dominated the drills

Trent Williams. May end up being Jamaal Brown. Far more athletic than previously thought

Roger Saffold. Could be this year's Branden Albert--a G prospect who transitions to T. That said, with his frame, I think he's an ideal RT for a team that passes a lot. If I'm NO, I look at him as a replacement for Stinchcomb at the bottom of Round 2.

DL: Ndamukong Suh. Showed up, did everything, and did it well. Showed he wasn't afraid to compete. Separated himself from McCoy, as he was his equal in agility drills and speed, and showed that he also has as much explosion with more upper body strength.

Jason Pierre Paul. Lack of production is alarming, but his potential isn't. Mayock compared him to Jevon Kearse. His upside is probably Mario Williams.

Lemarr Houston. Beasted the drills. Looks like a great 3 technique prospect.

Everson Griffen. Tremendous measureables combined with solid production. With his speed, he could be a 4-3 RDE or a ROLB in a 3-4. Probably a mid-20s guy who a lot of teams are going to regret passing on. Atlanta needs to have him targeted

Linval Joseph. He's going to skyrocket. He can play NT in a 4-3, NT in a 3-4, or 5 technique. Big with long arms (34 1/2"). I wouldn't mind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd rounder.

Torrell Troup. Did well in agility drills, ran well, and showed good strength. Long arms, can put on another 25 pounds and anchor a 3-4.

LB:

Sean Weatherspoon. GODMODE.

Darryl Washington. Ran really well and killed the drills. Probably limited to a 4-3 Will backer.

Jamar Chaney. Absolutely dominated the physical part of the combine. Dominated. He has the size to be a 3-4 Mike, but his speed will make him far more valuable to a 4-3 team. He's probably a mid 2nd round pick at worst right now. His athleticism is the definition of sideline to sideline.

DB:

Taylor Mays. Killed the 40 and showed enough agility in the drills to quell concerns about his hip fluidity.

Eric Berry. Performed beyond expectations. Measured bigger, and had an amazing vertical jump (43"). Showed good speed as well. He is Ed Reed.

QB:

None. Jarrett Brown showed speed and arm strength, but his accuracy was poor. Sam Bradford showed he could put on 25 pounds while using steroids.

WR:

Jacoby Ford. Moved himself up into the 3rd round with his 40 time alone

Golden Tate. Looks like an ideal slot receiver w/ his combination of quickness and speed.

Scott Long. Warriored the Workout, but he's never done anything on the field. Got buzz, though.

RB: Ryan Matthews. The #1 pure RB in this class w/o question.

Jahvid Best. Outran Spiller and showed really good agility in the cone drills. Surprising size @ 200 lbs. Could be Jamaal Charlesesque.

Ben Tate. Looks like a really good mid-round option

TE: Clay Harbor. Performed like he was created in a lab. Small school prospect with all the tools.

Jimmy Graham. Absolutely amazing combine and ungodly size. He's a matchup nightmare.

Losers:

QB: Cart McCoy. His shoulder injury, which would be healed w/in "days" then became "two weeks" and now it's been nearly two months and he still won't throw. He also measured 2 inches shorter than his listed height. He's a ****ing bum. Well, bums have heart...

Dan LeFevour. Absolutely idiotic decision not to throw. Killed himself in the eyes of scouts.

WR: Brandon Lafell. Poor time combined with a blah season. He's probably a late 2nd at best now. Really small hands for a WR (8 3/4")

Dez Bryant. Reportedly bombed the interviews. Came off as irresponsible, and didn't run to protect his inflated stock.

Mike Williams. Awful results, even worse interviews. May not be drafted

RB: Jonathan Dwyer. Looked doughy and did not perform well. Combined with the weird system he came from, he's looking like the 3rd rounder I said he was.

TE: Rob Gronkowski. Came off as a pussy shit bitch by declaring himself 100% but not participating in anything when he hasn't played in a year.

OL: Anthony Davis. Poor physical measureables for a guy with a host of other concerns is not good.

Ciron Black. May not be draftable after his abortion of a performance.

DE: Greg Hardy. No one hurt his stock more this season than Hardy. He'll be off the boards of several teams completely and he shows a complete lack of passion for the game. He also can't stop gorging his fat ass.

George Selvie. An awful performance capping off two shit awful years at USF. He's a late round player now.

Carlos Dunlap. Awful interviews combined with huge character concerns and a lack of production make him Michael Johnson part 2.

DT: None. McCoy, who didn't have a great combine, still did well enough, but may have solidified himself as the #2 rather than putting himself in the argument with Suh

LB: Brandon Spikes. Wouldn't run but did all the other drills, on which he completely embarrassed himself. Lacks explosion (29" vertical is pathetic) and speed (wouldn't run). He's strictly a 2 down player and probably a 3rd rounder at best. Could go as late as the fifth.

Micah Johnson. You could time him with a sundial. May end up being this year's Danell Ellerbe, though. He and Spikes could both be role players, but won't ever be anything more.

Rolando McClain. Invented an injury to prevent from exposing himself, just like Bryant.

DB. Myron Rolle. Great story, but he's not an NFL player. Too slow, too stiff.

Joe Haden. Ran in the Malcolm Jenkins territory without the size. He's probably a 12-15 pick right now

Chiefs=Champions · 03-02-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

For the most part he does but he was never in this position either where he has a QB who was his big move looking like he shit himself.

Good point. God, if we draft Okung its going to be a long time untill we recover from this draft.....

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 10:59 PM

Prepare yourself for the worst is all I can tell you, Pioli is a guy who values linemen specifically defensive linemen over everything.

What playmaker did NE ever draft?

Jerm · 03-02-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Prepare yourself for the worst is all I can tell you

After last year, I'm prepped and ready for it.

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 11:16 PM

Myron Rolle ran a 4.69, I don't care if he's the smartest man on the planet, that's way to slow.

**BossChief** · 03-02-2010, 11:21 PM

That defense in NE has sustained a high ranking because of the investment early on in the DL.

Shit that defense won championships without pass rushers because they had a DL that could take over games. Hopefully, we have exactly that once we add a true NT into the mix and get us some backers.

**BossChief** · 03-02-2010, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Myron Rolle ran a 4.69, I don't care if he's the smartest man on the planet, that's way to slow.

Its a slow track.

Is that time "official"?

I would like to hear what he runs on his proday and if we bring him in for a workout.

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Its a slow track.

Is that time "official"?

I would like to hear what he runs on his proday and if we bring him in for a workout.

How about that he was also excessively stiff in all of the position drills?

People say Mays is stiff and doesn't change direction well, Rolle made him look godlike at it...

Mr. Laz · 03-02-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Good point. God, if we draft Okung its going to be a long time untill we recover from this draft.....

over-dramatic much?

KCrockaholic · 03-02-2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

How about that he was also excessively stiff in all of the position drills?

People say Mays is stiff and doesn't change direction well, Rolle made him look godlike at it...

Rolle was bad also, but Mays has a problem with change of direction and when you play Safety, COD is a necessity on every single play. I like Mays, but today showed why he is not the top Safety. Not nearly as fluid as Berry or Thomas for that matter.

Mecca · 03-02-2010, 11:57 PM

He shouldn't be, Berry and Thomas are CB sized and probably could play CB, Mays isn't just like when you get that "he's not good in man" of course not look at the size of him.

Mays actually looked better today, he flipped his hips really well, the only thing that is a bit sketchy on him is his backpedal isn't very natural but playing safety that shouldn't be to much of an issue.

KCrockaholic · 03-03-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He shouldn't be, Berry and Thomas are CB sized and probably could play CB, Mays isn't just like when you get that "he's not good in man" of course not look at the size of him.

Mays actually looked better today, he flipped his hips really well, the only thing that is a bit sketchy on him is his backpedal isn't very natural but playing safety that shouldn't be to much of an issue.

He was very slow in his back pedal. His hips aren't perfect, but proper coaching should help I think. He needs to go to a predominantly zone defense. The fact that Berry and Thomas can play CB only raises their stock because it shows they are versatile, and Berry can actually play all 4 positions as a DB. He did it at Tennessee all the time. I think Pete Carroll falls in love with Mays though.

Mecca · 03-03-2010, 12:10 AM

Berry is a better prospect, Thomas is really kinda iffy, he's really small, might just be a CB, doesn't play the run very well.

Thomas has nice INT stats but the question becomes really is he just a CB?

KCrockaholic · 03-03-2010, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Berry is a better prospect, Thomas is really kinda iffy, he's really small, might just be a CB, doesn't play the run very well.

Thomas has nice INT stats but the question becomes really is he just a CB?

Thomas can probably play either, but I won't be surprised if CB suits him better. I need to work on my mock....

Chiefs=Champions · 03-03-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

over-dramatic much?

reerun much?

Saccopoo · 03-03-2010, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Good point. God, if we draft Okung its going to be a long time untill we recover from this draft.....

Jesus...you people really don't have a clue do you? I understand that it's not a sexy pick, but it's an important one. And the Chiefs have neglected their offensive line for ten years in terms of the draft.

Do you want to know why the Chiefs suck so bad right now? It's because our offensive line is the absolute shits. Other than an old Walters and a young project, this line has no talent whatsoever.

In drafting Okung, you are getting the premier player in his draft class (which looks to be a pretty good class talent wise) at a premier position. Even if he sucks at left tackle, he can play at RT, RG or LG. It's a no brainer pick for a position of great need by the Chiefs. (Because if you don't think that the offensive line doesn't need upgrading then you are either one of two things: 1. Delusional, or 2. Stupid as ****.) What the hell is their to recover from in drafting the best, most highly regarded left tackle in a deep and talented draft?

I'd seriously like to know why you think that it's going to take a long time for the Chiefs to recover if they draft Okung? Seriously, I'd like to know why you think drafting the best left tackle in this draft is a negative thing for a team with an offensive line that's as bad as what the Chiefs put out last season.

03-02-2010, 01:56 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Combine Winners and Losers These are my opinions, but obviously borrowed from the research of others Winners: OL: Russell Okung. Showed very good athleticism, ideal size, and good strength. Solidified himself as the consensus #1 tackle according to scouts (even if I think he's not). Bruce Campbell. Absolute **ing freak. Same size as Okung, even more athletic. Dominated the drills Trent Williams. May end up being Jamaal Brown. Far more athletic than previously thought Roger Saffold. Could be this year's Branden Albert--a G prospect who transitions to T. That said, with his frame, I think he's an ideal RT for a team that passes a lot. If I'm NO, I look at him as a replacement for Stinchcomb at the bottom of Round 2. DL: Ndamukong Suh. Showed up, did everything, and did it well. Showed he wasn't afraid to compete. Separated himself from McCoy, as he was his equal in agility drills and speed, and showed that he also has as much explosion with more upper body strength. Jason Pierre Paul. Lack of production is alarming, but his potential isn't. Mayock compared him to Jevon Kearse. His upside is probably Mario Williams. Lemarr Houston. Beasted the drills. Looks like a great 3 technique prospect. Everson Griffen. Tremendous measureables combined with solid production. With his speed, he could be a 4-3 RDE or a ROLB in a 3-4. Probably a mid-20s guy who a lot of teams are going to regret passing on. Atlanta needs to have him targeted Linval Joseph. He's going to skyrocket. He can play NT in a 4-3, NT in a 3-4, or 5 technique. Big with long arms (34 1/2"). I wouldn't mind the Chiefs taking him with their 3rd rounder. Torrell Troup. Did well in agility drills, ran well, and showed good strength. Long arms, can put on another 25 pounds and anchor a 3-4. LB: Sean Weatherspoon. GODMODE. Darryl Washington. Ran really well and killed the drills. Probably limited to a 4-3 Will backer. Jamar Chaney. Absolutely dominated the physical part of the combine. Dominated. He has the size to be a 3-4 Mike, but his speed will make him far more valuable to a 4-3 team. He's probably a mid 2nd round pick at worst right now. His athleticism is the definition of sideline to sideline. DB: Taylor Mays. Killed the 40 and showed enough agility in the drills to quell concerns about his hip fluidity. Eric Berry. Performed beyond expectations. Measured bigger, and had an amazing vertical jump (43"). Showed good speed as well. He is Ed Reed. QB: None. Jarrett Brown showed speed and arm strength, but his accuracy was poor. Sam Bradford showed he could put on 25 pounds while using steroids. WR: Jacoby Ford. Moved himself up into the 3rd round with his 40 time alone Golden Tate. Looks like an ideal slot receiver w/ his combination of quickness and speed. Scott Long. Warriored the Workout, but he's never done anything on the field. Got buzz, though. RB: Ryan Matthews. The #1 pure RB in this class w/o question. Jahvid Best. Outran Spiller and showed really good agility in the cone drills. Surprising size @ 200 lbs. Could be Jamaal Charlesesque. Ben Tate. Looks like a really good mid-round option TE: Clay Harbor. Performed like he was created in a lab. Small school prospect with all the tools. Jimmy Graham. Absolutely amazing combine and ungodly size. He's a matchup nightmare. Losers: QB: Cart McCoy. His shoulder injury, which would be healed w/in "days" then became "two weeks" and now it's been nearly two months and he still won't throw. He also measured 2 inches shorter than his listed height. He's a **ing bum. Well, bums have heart... Dan LeFevour. Absolutely idiotic decision not to throw. Killed himself in the eyes of scouts. WR: Brandon Lafell. Poor time combined with a blah season. He's probably a late 2nd at best now. Really small hands for a WR (8 3/4") Dez Bryant. Reportedly bombed the interviews. Came off as irresponsible, and didn't run to protect his inflated stock. Mike Williams. Awful results, even worse interviews. May not be drafted RB: Jonathan Dwyer. Looked doughy and did not perform well. Combined with the weird system he came from, he's looking like the 3rd rounder I said he was. TE: Rob Gronkowski. Came off as a pussy shit bitch by declaring himself 100% but not participating in anything when he hasn't played in a year. OL: Anthony Davis. Poor physical measureables for a guy with a host of other concerns is not good. Ciron Black. May not be draftable after his abortion of a performance. DE: Greg Hardy. No one hurt his stock more this season than Hardy. He'll be off the boards of several teams completely and he shows a complete lack of passion for the game. He also can't stop gorging his fat ass. George Selvie. An awful performance capping off two shit awful years at USF. He's a late round player now. Carlos Dunlap. Awful interviews combined with huge character concerns and a lack of production make him Michael Johnson part 2. DT: None. McCoy, who didn't have a great combine, still did well enough, but may have solidified himself as the #2 rather than putting himself in the argument with Suh LB: Brandon Spikes. Wouldn't run but did all the other drills, on which he completely embarrassed himself. Lacks explosion (29" vertical is pathetic) and speed (wouldn't run). He's strictly a 2 down player and probably a 3rd rounder at best. Could go as late as the fifth. Micah Johnson. You could time him with a sundial. May end up being this year's Danell Ellerbe, though. He and Spikes could both be role players, but won't ever be anything more. Rolando McClain. Invented an injury to prevent from exposing himself, just like Bryant. DB. Myron Rolle. Great story, but he's not an NFL player. Too slow, too stiff. Joe Haden. Ran in the Malcolm Jenkins territory without the size. He's probably a 12-15 pick right now
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Prepare yourself for the worst is all I can tell you, Pioli is a guy who values linemen specifically defensive linemen over everything. What playmaker did NE ever draft?
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Myron Rolle ran a 4.69, I don't care if he's the smartest man on the planet, that's way to slow.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	He shouldn't be, Berry and Thomas are CB sized and probably could play CB, Mays isn't just like when you get that "he's not good in man" of course not look at the size of him. Mays actually looked better today, he flipped his hips really well, the only thing that is a bit sketchy on him is his backpedal isn't very natural but playing safety that shouldn't be to much of an issue.
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03-03-2010, 12:10 AM	#57
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Berry is a better prospect, Thomas is really kinda iffy, he's really small, might just be a CB, doesn't play the run very well. Thomas has nice INT stats but the question becomes really is he just a CB?
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