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**The Bad Guy** · 03-07-2010, 12:30 PM

Sending the Ravens a 2nd round pick (the first one) for Jared Gaither?

Only 23 years old. Mountain of a man. Solid experience. They apparently want to move Michael Oher to LT.

I would do it with one condition, that Albert has to play LG. I do not want Albert at RT.

Waters could try to move to RG, if not, cut him.

Thoughts?

RedThat · 03-07-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

What in the **** does a guard have to do with Gaither?

Because BG mentioned trading one of our 2nd rounders for Gaither and moving Albert over to LG. Im saying, keep our 2nd rounders, invest them on defense instead, possibly draft a guard in the 3rd or 4th and the Chiefs can leave Albert where he is and let him learn the LT position.

Mecca · 03-07-2010, 10:40 PM

I'm pretty sure he'd get tried at the other OT first, but here's how it goes, Gaither for a 2 is an outstanding deal, I'm a fan of the draft but the idea that for a team like ours a 2 is better is frankly overvaluing the pick.

Gaither is the same age as many of the prospects in the draft.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-07-2010, 10:40 PM

Just so I fully understand.

While I have no problem keeping Albert at LT. If the opportunity presented itself where we could lock up a good to potentially very good LT and move Brendan to guard, you would turn it down for the 50th pick in the draft because we need defense?

Holy mother of ****ing christ.

He's 23. He's played in a winning organization and produced. He's 23, which would also be younger than some of the players in this draft.I'll just mention again that he's 23 years old.

You would swear that Carl Peterson/Scott Pioli posts here.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 03-07-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I thought they were crazy. I ate copious amounts of crow.

I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong, I've done it over and over again here. But I had Baltimore in the CP mock that year and I took Flacco in the 2nd round and got chided by a few people over it.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-07-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm pretty sure he'd get tried at the other OT first, but here's how it goes, Gaither for a 2 is an outstanding deal, I'm a fan of the draft but the idea that for a team like ours a 2 is better is frankly overvaluing the pick.

Gaither is the same age as many of the prospects in the draft.

You're spinning your wheels. I'm stumped. Even the most avid Albert fan can agree that Gaither for a 2nd rounder is like stealing.

I think a lot of posters on here just watch the Chiefs. They are like the fantasy owners who think they should give up peanuts for someone else's prize, but thinks you need to give up the brinks truck for their studs.

milkman · 03-07-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

No disrespect, but you and Hamas are full of shit. You say you would love this, but it just isn't true. All offseason you have been ranting and raving about how we already have a LT and don't need to draft one. You could CRUCIFY Pioli if he ever made that kind of move.

Now, before you go and argue that this is different, and we don't need a LT at the #5 spot, most of you have scoffed at the idea of taking one early in the second. Come on now, you guys couldn't be happy no matter what happened.

I have been pimping Jason Fox in the draft all offseason because he's a guy that I think can excel at RT, and has the athletic ability to move over and play LT if Albert continues to struggle.

The Ravens had concerns about Gaither, and had a LT prospect fall to them in the middle of the first round.

But the biggest difference is that Oher is a hell of lot better LT prospect than any of the LTs in this draft, and I'm not pissing away a top 5 pick on a RT.

Mecca · 03-07-2010, 10:43 PM

If you get a starting LT for a 2nd round pick, it frankly doesn't matter where Albert was drafted anymore, you didn't use 2 1st round picks.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 03-07-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I don't know what word you heard, but it's not even close to the truth.

Kent Babb and Walter Football.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php

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5. Kansas City Chiefs: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
MARCH 3 UPDATE: Russell Okung had a great Combine, and solidified himself as a top-five pick. If he's on the board, I have very little doubt the Chiefs will pass on him. Go here for 2010 NFL Draft Scouting Combine coverage and stock reports.

FEB. 16 UPDATE: Chiefs beat writer Kent Babb of the Kansas City Star believes the team will draft Russell Okung with this pick, and I would agree.

Babb writes that protection is a big issue for Scott Pioli, and the addition of Okung would allow Branden Albert to move to left guard, and Brian Waters to slide over to the center position. Three important upgrades for the price of one - sounds like a great deal to me.

FEB. 9 UPDATE: Branden Albert improved over the season and was pretty flawless in the final month. But I'm not convinced that he's a franchise left tackle. There's a chance that he could be, but I don't think anyone can seriously say that he's a lock to be one.

Scott Pioli invested $63 million into the noodle-armed Matt Cassel. He can't afford to have Cassel sacked 42 times again next year. If Albert's finish was a fluke, he's putting his big investment in jeopardy.

Fortunately, Pioli, who is a big believer in positional value, can take Okung without sacrificing too much of his team's payroll into the left tackle position. Albert will make less than $1 million in each of the next two seasons, and was a guard at Virginia anyway.

Okung is the real deal. He could take the Chiefs' offense to the next level, though the team will ultimately struggle in the playoffs because of Cassel's limitations.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-07-2010, 10:45 PM

I think KCJohnny knows more about what's going on with the Chiefs than Kent Babb.

milkman · 03-07-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

You're spinning your wheels. I'm stumped. Even the most avid Albert fan can agree that Gaither for a 2nd rounder is like stealing.

I think a lot of posters on here just watch the Chiefs. They are like the fantasy owners who think they should give up peanuts for someone else's prize, but thinks you need to give up the brinks truck for their studs.

I am the most avid Albert fan, and I'm admitting that a 2nd for Gaither is a steal.

Mecca · 03-07-2010, 10:47 PM

Seriously if this team drafts an OT with a top 5 pick after this FA signing I'm going to strongly consider finding a new hobby.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 03-07-2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I think KCJohnny knows more about what's going on with the Chiefs than Kent Babb.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of his either. I chuckled when I saw that he even got a shoutout on walterfootball.com.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-07-2010, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

No disrespect, but you and Hamas are full of shit. You say you would love this, but it just isn't true. All offseason you have been ranting and raving about how we already have a LT and don't need to draft one. You could CRUCIFY Pioli if he ever made that kind of move.

Now, before you go and argue that this is different, and we don't need a LT at the #5 spot, most of you have scoffed at the idea of taking one early in the second. Come on now, you guys couldn't be happy no matter what happened.

What's the difference in value between the #5 and #50 pick in the draft?

About the same as the difference on a continuum between Terry Schiavo (#5) and you (#50)

RedThat · 03-07-2010, 10:58 PM

Yes Gaither is a good young player, I like the kid.

But if Im running a team, Im looking at balance. I want my team to be well balanced and go from there. By saying that, Im weighing the teams weaknesses and strengths throughout. From there I decide what is most important, I look at the draft, and intend on taking BPA to go along with satisfying the teams needs.

If one has to weigh who was better in performance between the Oline and passrush last year. Offensive line wins. Offensive line didn't perform well throughout the season, if I had to judge the OL it would be satisfactory level. But I will say the OL got better as the season went on, which is a positive. The passrush however, was dismal throughout the entire season and it has been over the last two years. Offensive line is more of a strength on this team then the passrush. There may be some good passrushers available in the 2nd round, why not keep that pick and select the BPA in the 2nd, I have a feeling there will be a good passrusher sitting there when it comes time to pick. So Id rather see them address that issue since I feel it is definately more of a glaring need, but better yet, I'd like to see this team establish some balance. Go for balance. It's the best way. We'd be better off and build a stronger team down the road.

aturnis · 03-07-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

No disrespect, but you and Hamas are full of shit. You say you would love this, but it just isn't true. All offseason you have been ranting and raving about how we already have a LT and don't need to draft one. You could CRUCIFY Pioli if he ever made that kind of move.

Now, before you go and argue that this is different, and we don't need a LT at the #5 spot, most of you have scoffed at the idea of taking one early in the second. Come on now, you guys couldn't be happy no matter what happened.

Hey Mecca, reading comprehension. Try it sometime.

03-07-2010, 12:30 PM
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9273645	Would you be opposed to?.... Sending the Ravens a 2nd round pick (the first one) for Jared Gaither? Only 23 years old. Mountain of a man. Solid experience. They apparently want to move Michael Oher to LT. I would do it with one condition, that Albert has to play LG. I do not want Albert at RT. Waters could try to move to RG, if not, cut him. Thoughts?
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03-07-2010, 10:40 PM	#107
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	I'm pretty sure he'd get tried at the other OT first, but here's how it goes, Gaither for a 2 is an outstanding deal, I'm a fan of the draft but the idea that for a team like ours a 2 is better is frankly overvaluing the pick. Gaither is the same age as many of the prospects in the draft.
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03-07-2010, 10:40 PM	#108
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9273645	Just so I fully understand. While I have no problem keeping Albert at LT. If the opportunity presented itself where we could lock up a good to potentially very good LT and move Brendan to guard, you would turn it down for the 50th pick in the draft because we need defense? Holy mother of ****ing christ. He's 23. He's played in a winning organization and produced. He's 23, which would also be younger than some of the players in this draft.I'll just mention again that he's 23 years old. You would swear that Carl Peterson/Scott Pioli posts here. __________________
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03-07-2010, 10:43 PM	#112
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	If you get a starting LT for a 2nd round pick, it frankly doesn't matter where Albert was drafted anymore, you didn't use 2 1st round picks.
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03-07-2010, 10:45 PM	#114
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9273645	I think KCJohnny knows more about what's going on with the Chiefs than Kent Babb. __________________
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03-07-2010, 10:47 PM	#116
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	Seriously if this team drafts an OT with a top 5 pick after this FA signing I'm going to strongly consider finding a new hobby.
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03-07-2010, 10:58 PM	#119
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Yes Gaither is a good young player, I like the kid. But if Im running a team, Im looking at balance. I want my team to be well balanced and go from there. By saying that, Im weighing the teams weaknesses and strengths throughout. From there I decide what is most important, I look at the draft, and intend on taking BPA to go along with satisfying the teams needs. If one has to weigh who was better in performance between the Oline and passrush last year. Offensive line wins. Offensive line didn't perform well throughout the season, if I had to judge the OL it would be satisfactory level. But I will say the OL got better as the season went on, which is a positive. The passrush however, was dismal throughout the entire season and it has been over the last two years. Offensive line is more of a strength on this team then the passrush. There may be some good passrushers available in the 2nd round, why not keep that pick and select the BPA in the 2nd, I have a feeling there will be a good passrusher sitting there when it comes time to pick. So Id rather see them address that issue since I feel it is definately more of a glaring need, but better yet, I'd like to see this team establish some balance. Go for balance. It's the best way. We'd be better off and build a stronger team down the road.
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