Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 31

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-25-2010, 05:35 PM

I need to go cook some dinner.

I'll check back in later tonight or tomorrow.

Unlike some of you, my opinions won't change.

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 05:36 PM

I like Benn a lot...I think Benn fell because of Juice Williams.

Tate? Meh. I do like Tate...but I think he has a much better chance of being a bust than McCluster...

I can't believe everyone isn't simply STOKED that we added a guy with McCluster's skill set and we're going to use him in the slot...

That guy is amazing in space...and that's what the Chiefs are going to try and do...get him the ball and let him do his thing...

It'll make Cassel's job a hell of a lot easier, too.

McCluster can MOST DEFINITELY make Cassel a better player...

Does Tate possess that ability? I don't think so...

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

PRACTICE? WE TALKIN' 'BOUT PRACTICE?

Oh come on man his transition to slot WR won't be as difficult as you suggest it's not like those guys were ****ing around at Senoir Bowl practice. The guy is a Wr.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 05:37 PM

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Lets see...

Louis Vazquez is a starting guard for the Chargers
Antoine Caldwell would have been a solid pick
TJ Lang started games at LT for the Packers
Jamon Meredith started games at RT for Buffalo and could have even been had after the draft

Is that a sufficient enough list or should I add more?

Vasquez was a 6th and he was forced into starting duty. He wasn't exactly "special", he was just a guy.

TJ Lang was so good that he's been replaced by Bulaga.

Jamon Meredith was waived and picked up by the Bills who have arguably the worst line in all of football.

The bottom line is that while last year's offensive line crop was touted as "deep", none of those guys found from rounds 3-7 were exactly "special" players or players that the Chiefs should "regret" passing on.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-25-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can run a 2-WR set with dual backs and motion McCluster off to the slot, based on the matchup. You can use McCluster as the 2nd RB, which I expect to happen a few years in when Jones is through. You can use McCluster in a 2-TE set with 2 WRs and either run McCluster or motion him out of the backfield from an empty backfield set. You can use him in the wildcat. You're basically giving him slot receiver reps and adding in the capability to run in dual-back sets or as the primary RB when Charles needs a blow.

And I expect he'll return kicks, while Arenas returns punts.

It's not a full-time player. But they'll find a way to get the kid on the field an awful lot.

I agree with everything you said for the most part. (Except in a 2 TE set you usually only have 1WR so thats an extra man on the field) I agree he will be useful as a situational player, all of those things you mentioned are what I consider to be situational. I am not saying he wont be good for those roles, what I am saying is he won't be an every down (67% of downs 1-3) type of player....I think we shouldve drafted a non-situational player with 2a.

All of that being said, I would love to be wrong...

Marcellus · 04-25-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

mecca aside, Eric Wood and Andy Levitre were both starters for the Bills last season, and will be slated to start again, and should improve substantially with a season under their belt this year.

Jamon Merdith also took a lot of snaps for them and played credibly as an injury replacement at Rt, while Demtrius Bell looked like a guy with real upside who just needs to learn technique at LT.

That's 4 guys on one team.

So the Bills who finished behind KC in EVERY offensive category have a bunch of potentially good players on their OL that should only get better after a year under their belt.

This belief is based on what?

Hootie · 04-25-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I need to go cook some dinner.

I'll check back in later tonight or tomorrow.

Unlike some of you, my opinions won't change.

that's because you, Mecca and hamas aren't Chiefs fans...you're just pessimistic assholes who like to think they know more than they really do...

it's funny that everyone loves what the Chiefs did except for the pessimistic little band of know-it-alls on chiefsplanet.com who apparently don't, well, know anything.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

As I said, all you have to do is do the math. For us to achieve your concept of Mcluster being on the field 67% of downs 1-3 it would be impossible.

We would have to play 3wr sets 2/3 downs of (1-3)

He would have to be in every one of them.

He would have to not get tired or hurt doing this.

We could never not use anything but a 3wr formation...(in those 2/3 of the situations)

It just isn't going to work out like this....We will probably use a standard 2 wr formation at least 40% of downs 1-3 for one thing.

I could go on but I am hoping you will get the point and give this one up.

As I pointed out already you are not counting special teams

milkman · 04-25-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Levitre was taken in the second, so he doesn't count. Wood was a guard, Meredith was picked up on waivers from GB and Bell might be good someday.

None of those guys were particularly special and I think it's safe to say (especially in the case of Meredith, since they had a chance to claim him) that the Chiefs didn't like any of them.

And as I mentioned earlier, I'd take Asamoah over any of them.

It's like the linebacker thing this year: I don't think that any of the guys available at #36 or #50 were "special" players, just good prospects.

We aren't talking about who Pioli would have picked, we are talking about guys that were in last years draft that were passed that would have helped.

I couldn't remember what rounds any of these guys were taken, I simply named guys that would have helped this O-Line, regardless of what Pioli might have done.

Were they special?
No.

Were they pretty good?
Yes.

And who the hell was Pioli going to pick up on waivers?

Leaves falling from the ****ing tree.

tonyetony · 04-25-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I need to go cook some dinner.

I'll check back in later tonight or tomorrow.

Unlike some of you, my opinions won't change.

Some of your opinions should change if you're faced with the stark reality that they we're dead ****ing wrong.

An opinion is just that, not an absolute.

Hammock Parties · 04-25-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

that's because you, Mecca and hamas aren't Chiefs fans...

I sat next to OTWP for 4 hours last year at the Cowboys game and he is as much a Chiefs fan as anyone...when Bowe caught that TD we had a big gay group hug with TinyE.

STFU

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

that's because you, Mecca and hamas aren't Chiefs fans...you're just pessimistic assholes who like to think they know more than they really do...

it's funny that everyone loves what the Chiefs did except for the pessimistic little band of know-it-alls on chiefsplanet.com who apparently don't, well, know anything.

Meh I don't love wha the Chiefs did I think they could have drafted some other good players. This team could hav been a great young team instead I think they compete for six to eight wins.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-25-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Unlike some of you, my opinions won't change.

I guess this is kind of off topic, but if your opinions won't change, why do you bother coming here? To give us all your opinion and try to change everyone else's opinion without considering the opinions of others?

That is pretty strange if you ask me....something to keep in mind when reading your posts for sure.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I sat next to OTWP for 4 hours last year at the Cowboys game and he is as much a Chiefs fan as anyone...when Bowe caught that TD we had a big gay group hug with TinyE.

I would kiss you after every Chiefs touchdown.

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