Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'd like someone to explain to me how the Chiefs are going to run two tight end sets without having two tight ends that can actually block and catch?

To be fair ytou dont need two TE's that can block and catch to run 2TE sets..You need one who can block, and one that can block / catch..

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why wouldn't he? He's already the best slot receiver on the team. Unless he's injured, would you prefer Urban or Long on the field?

I think very little of Long and Urban, but you're getting a bit carried away here.

WR is widely considered the hardest position in the NFL to adjust from CFB to the pros, sans QB.

And this is a kid that by all accounts, rarely, if ever lined up in the slot for Ole Miss and ran a legit route. When he did line up in the slot, he either came through the backfield for a handoff, or as a prelude to a screen pass.

Now you're telling me that this kid is going to step right in at a position that is extremely difficult to adjust to in the pros, and be a significant piece of the puzzle?

He may down the road, but you're expecting way too much early, IMO.

People are comparing him to Welker, FFS. Wes Welker is a legit slot WR.

This guy is a RB we're converting to slot WR.

[Mecca]

If he wants a simple answer...

Anyone capable of playing RG or RT would have helped us far more than any of the fools we picked, how about that?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Defend that draft from last year, I dare you, it'll just make me laugh at you.

You know, you've once again lost all of your credibility with me.

You ****ing talk in absolutes then when challenged, ask one of your stupid, passive-aggressive questions.

I'll ask you once again, which offensive lineman from rounds 3-7 did the Chiefs pass on, that would have made such a HUGE contribution.

I already admitted I was wrong about Urbick.

What the **** is wrong with you not being able to admit when you're wrong or not being able to back up your SHIT?

Hootie's right: You're a ****ing PHONY.

And I've just joined in with the other 11,997 Chiefsplanet members in laughing at YOU.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Defend that draft from last year, I dare you, it'll just make me laugh at you.

That's not his argument.

He's already said basically that it's indefensible.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

even if we used a 3wr set in the one of the 1st three downs in ever single series for the entire season it wouldn't be enough to have McCluster on the field 70 or 67% of the time....He will be lucky to be on the field 50-55% of downs 1-3.

Hell, I will consider it a huge success if he is on the field 55% of the 1st 3 downs and doesn't get his neck broken.

#1 - he will probably get a few carries here and there, especially after Jones leaves
#2 - But lots of people think we should have gotten Golden Tate. Why do people think that was a great pick but that this pick is, for some reason, reserved only for a "part-time player"?
#3 - Why would his neck get broken? The kid's smaller, but he's not nearly the same size as Dante Hall. He's big and he's strong. I worry a lot more about Charles' durability than I do McCluster's.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think very little of Long and Urban, but you're getting a bit carried away here.

WR is widely considered the hardest position in the NFL to adjust from CFB to the pros, sans QB.

And this is a kid that by all accounts, rarely, if ever lined up in the slot for Ole Miss and ran a legit route. When he did line up in the slot, he either came through the backfield for a handoff, or as a prelude to a screen pass.

Now you're telling me that this kid is going to step right in at a position that is extremely difficult to adjust to in the pros, and be a significant piece of the puzzle?

He may down the road, but you're expecting way too much early, IMO.

People are comparing him to Welker, FFS. Wes Welker is a legit slot WR.

This guy is a RB we're converting to slot WR.

Look at the senoir bowl tape. His transition shouldn't be too hard.

[Basileus777]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If he wants a simple answer...

Anyone capable of playing RG or RT would have helped us far more than any of the fools we picked, how about that?

Who would have been capable of playing RG or RT?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I can do the math. Nothing is stopping you from running a 2-back set in a 2-TE formation where you keep one receiver and motion another receiver into the slot, especially on running downs.

Two TE's.

Two RB's.

One QB.

LT, LG, C, RG, RT.

ONE WR

Which in your scenario, leaves either Bowe or Chambers on the bench, because you can only put 11 players on the field.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You know, you've once again lost all of your credibility with me.

You ****ing talk in absolutes then when challenged, ask one of your stupid, passive-aggressive questions.

I'll ask you once again, which offensive lineman from rounds 3-7 did the Chiefs pass on, that would have made such a HUGE contribution.

I already admitted I was wrong about Urbick.

What the **** is wrong with you not being able to admit when you're wrong or not being able to back up your SHIT?

Hootie's right: You're a ****ing PHONY.

And I've just joined in with the other 11,997 Chiefsplanet members in laughing at YOU.

Like being Hootie for the weekend? Is it fun?

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why wouldn't he? He's already the best slot receiver on the team. Unless he's injured, would you prefer Urban or Long on the field?

As I said, all you have to do is do the math. For us to achieve your concept of Mcluster being on the field 67% of downs 1-3 it would be impossible.

We would have to play 3wr sets 2/3 downs of (1-3)

He would have to be in every one of them.

He would have to not get tired or hurt doing this.

We could never not use anything but a 3wr formation...(in those 2/3 of the situations)


It just isn't going to work out like this....We will probably use a standard 2 wr formation at least 40% of downs 1-3 for one thing.

I could go on but I am hoping you will get the point and give this one up.

[tonyetony]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Let's just call it what it is, we made several picks to make Matt Cassel look competent because Scott Pioli is not going to admit he screwed that up.

And why the hell wouldn't any of us want Cassel to be surrounded by playmakers that would make him look good?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think very little of Long and Urban, but you're getting a bit carried away here.

WR is widely considered the hardest position in the NFL to adjust from CFB to the pros, sans QB.

And this is a kid that by all accounts, rarely, if ever lined up in the slot for Ole Miss and ran a legit route. When he did line up in the slot, he either came through the backfield for a handoff, or as a prelude to a screen pass.

Now you're telling me that this kid is going to step right in at a position that is extremely difficult to adjust to in the pros, and be a significant piece of the puzzle?

He may down the road, but you're expecting way too much early, IMO.

People are comparing him to Welker, FFS. Wes Welker is a legit slot WR.

This guy is a RB we're converting to slot WR.

McCluster has played WR. He was a WR his first two years at Ole' Miss.

And the slot receiver is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to transition into. Nickel backs play off and you typically don't have to worry about bumps and getting off the line of scrimmage, which is easily the biggest adjustment in the NFL. You also get a lot of screens and underneath stuff, which doesn't require flawless route running.

[Reerun_KC]

PLAYMAKERS!

We got them and I couldnt be happier with the draft...
Still problems left? Sure but there isnt enough rounds to fix everything!!!

BUT WE GOT PLAYMAKERS!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

To be fair ytou dont need two TE's that can block and catch to run 2TE sets..You need one who can block, and one that can block / catch..

Let us know when the Chiefs have either.



Look, I like the Moeaki pick because there's no one currently on the roster with his skillset when healthy. But I'm not about to proclaim him as a great player or a bust at this point in time.

The Chiefs really don't have a good blocking tight end on the roster. Despite the size of both Cottam and Pope, neither are good blockers. O'Connell needs to make a huge jump from last year, otherwise, he won't even have a roster spot.

So I think we're getting carried away with the notion of two tight end sets.