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Old 08-29-2010, 11:12 AM  
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Seems as if Leinart may not be the starter in Arizona. He already has a history with Haley, so picking up our offense should not be difficult for Leinart. Stats so far in pre-season for Leinart are 19-23 for 161 yards and a TD. 110.3 QB ranking.

I know Haley went with Warner over Leinart at the given time he was in Arizona. But I think it is fair to say that Cassel is no Warner. I wonder if Haley would prefer Leinart over Cassel at this point? If so, with Haleys relationship with the Cards appearing to be good, I wonder if there possible trade could be arranged involving players, and not draft picks?

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Old 08-29-2010, 01:25 PM   #31
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I don't give a crap if he is better or not. He at least isn't afraid to throw beyond 5 yard patterns. I never said he was the answer but look at our QB options for christ sake. No depth and no options.
If you want to bring him in as a back up fine but his arm beyond 5 yards is no better than Cassel's.The problem is he thinks it is.
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Old 08-29-2010, 01:26 PM   #32
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Why? KC in AFC West. Arizona in NFC West. Seattle in NFC West. KC makes more sense than Seattle if Arizona were to trade him.
Maybe they would rather play against him twice a year..
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Old 08-29-2010, 01:26 PM   #33
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We've been reduced to arguing for better stopgaps.
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Old 08-29-2010, 01:29 PM   #34
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We've been reduced to arguing for better stopgaps.
See post #23.
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Old 08-29-2010, 01:31 PM   #35
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See post #23.
I understand what you're saying, but my take is this: Cassel is a pussy who does not handle criticism or adversity well. Thus, even if we draft a QB , we'll need another stopgap starter to groom him.
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Old 08-29-2010, 01:37 PM   #36
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So who do you WANT? Seriously Lienart is not better than Cassel. People that keep bitching forget that if All Pro QB's grew on trees every team would have one.

Lienart got benched for Derick Anderson for a reason and it's not because Anderson is good.
Actually, he got benched because Ken Whisenhunt is stubborn. He doesn't think Leinart is a fit for his system which he refuses to alter so he's basically reacting with "yea **** him I didn't pick him". Just more typical coach married to system bullshit.

Leinart isn't a fit here either, he's a WCO QB through and through, he's doesn't have Cassel's accuracy problems he just doesn't have the natural arm strength to zip out passes.

And for that other post, Leinart doesn't think he has a great arm, he's trying to make those throws because the coach gives him those plays. What should he do call T/O go over to Whisenhunt and tell him "Hey reerun you know I can't make that throw why are you giving me this play are you a ****tard?"
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Actually, he got benched because Ken Whisenhunt is stubborn. He doesn't think Leinart is a fit for his system which he refuses to alter so he's basically reacting with "yea **** him I didn't pick him". Just more typical coach married to system bullshit.

Leinart isn't a fit here either, he's a WCO QB through and through, he's doesn't have Cassel's accuracy problems he just doesn't have the natural arm strength to zip out passes.

And for that other post, Leinart doesn't think he has a great arm, he's trying to make those throws because the coach gives him those plays. What should he do call T/O go over to Whisenhunt and tell him "Hey reerun you know I can't make that throw why are you giving me this play are you a ****tard?"
That would be damn funny to watch.
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Actually, he got benched because Ken Whisenhunt is stubborn. He doesn't think Leinart is a fit for his system which he refuses to alter so he's basically reacting with "yea **** him I didn't pick him". Just more typical coach married to system bullshit.

Leinart isn't a fit here either, he's a WCO QB through and through, he's doesn't have Cassel's accuracy problems he just doesn't have the natural arm strength to zip out passes.

And for that other post, Leinart doesn't think he has a great arm, he's trying to make those throws because the coach gives him those plays. What should he do call T/O go over to Whisenhunt and tell him "Hey reerun you know I can't make that throw why are you giving me this play are you a ****tard?"
Look, if he was any good they would change what they are doing to fit his style of play. He sucks, therefore they are going another direction.You think the coaches are more oblivious to his skill set than you? Seriously? You are basically saying they tried to give him the starting job knowing he couldn't do it because of the offense they run while knowing he would be bad ass in a West Coast Offense. Give me a ****ing break.

Making excuses for the fact he sucks, and will always suck, is like people here making excuses for Chiefs players and that don't fly so why should your excuses fly?
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That's a hilarious post, after the shit that has happened here over the last 4 years you think a coach would change his system for a player?

NFL coaches don't do that, they're married to schemes and systems, if a player doesn't fit they'd rather get rid of him than alter it. It's one of the most mind numbing things that happens in the NFL on a regular basis.

And I'm not remotely arguing Leinart would be a star or great, I'm arguing that he would at least have a decent chance in an offense he can play in. The Cardinals downfield passing offense and Matt Leinart do not mix. I find it funny that they keep him if they are going to go with an offense they know he can't play in.
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Old 08-29-2010, 01:50 PM   #40
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Why? KC in AFC West. Arizona in NFC West. Seattle in NFC West. KC makes more sense than Seattle if Arizona were to trade him.
I think that if you are willing to get rid of a player, that you drafted in the first round, because he sucks then I don't think you care where he goes. You just get as much compensation for him as you can and move on. I would think that Carroll is more likely to pay up for him than anyone. We aren't likely to trade for him in any scenario that I can even remotely imagine.
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I have no idea if this is the case or not in AZ...

But it's not like it's unprecedented for coaches/GMs to be unwaveringly committed to a certain philosophy or system. For example, I've heard rumors of some dumbasses trying to force feed 34 defenses, going so far as to insist on playing one without a NT.
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Leinart isn't Whisenhunt's guy either, he was drafted by Dennis Green, coaches rarely have allegiances to change systems for guys they didn't pick.

Ok starter is probably Leinarts upside in the proper offense for him.
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That's a hilarious post, after the shit that has happened here over the last 4 years you think a coach would change his system for a player?

NFL coaches don't do that, they're married to schemes and systems, if a player doesn't fit they'd rather get rid of him than alter it. It's one of the most mind numbing things that happens in the NFL on a regular basis.

And I'm not remotely arguing Leinart would be a star or great, I'm arguing that he would at least have a decent chance in an offense he can play in. The Cardinals downfield passing offense and Matt Leinart do not mix. I find it funny that they keep him if they are going to go with an offense they know he can't play in.
So they went into this season trying to give Lienart a job they know he couldn't win just for shits and giggles?
Knowing he would fail and they would rather get rid of him (knowing he would be great in a WCO as you claim) than change the system to fit his style?

Yea the happens all the time.
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So they went into this season trying to give Lienart a job they know he couldn't win just for shits and giggles?
Knowing he would fail and they would rather get rid of him (knowing he would be great in a WCO as you claim) than change the system to fit his style?

Yea the happens all the time.
If you think Ken Whisenhunt has ever been committed to Matt Leinart I have news for you...sure they can pay the lip service of it's his job to lose etc etc, he's still in an offense that is radically different than his skill set.

Also Leinart has better numbers than Anderson does so how is Anderson leading for the job if it's a competition or Leinart's job to lose?
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