Chiefs Berry is a bust - Page 11

keg in kc · 09-21-2010, 09:45 AM

Two days in a row Petro has beat this drum. He's just burying Eric Berry (Berry-ing him?)

Good grief.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-21-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsnorth

Pollard is still a liability in the passing game. If you had seen the opener with Indy, there was a memorable moment when he was beaten for a TD after running his mouth for several previous plays. He makes a big play sometimes, but to imply the Chiefs would be fine with Pollard instead of Berry is asinine, reeruned, and uninformed.

It is a good point that Berry gets excuses but Jackson was blasted from day 1. The explanation is that Jackson should have gotten patience as a rookie too before the fans decided he sucked, but many decided it on draft day.

Pollard is still the same player, Berry is probably already better than he is all around and has a far higher ceiling. But don't tell that to mouth breathing sports radio callers/hosts, I know.

Pollard got beat like a drum in pass coverage last year as well.

Hug it Out Dan · 09-21-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

We'd have most likely been a lot better off for the long run with those two guys versus Berry and McCluster.

Berry has cost us two touchdowns and McCluster, for all his speed and versatility, has 2 receptions for 9 yards and two runs for a grand total of 3 yards. Sure, the special teams TD was nice, but we would have had that earlier if Studebaker had decided to pull his head out of his ass on Arenas' run. McCluster is starting to parallel Kris Wilson as our super secret offensive weapon.

Could have picked up Morgan Burnett in the third, and bingo!, quality LT, quality RT, starting safety, etc.

LOL, it's week 3. They're rookies.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-21-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Laces Out Dan

LOL, it's week 3. They're rookies.

Ignore him. His obsession with Okung and hatred of Albert is frightening.

Saccopoo · 09-21-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Ignore him. His obsession with Okung and hatred of Albert is frightening.

If they took Monroe or Oher in '09 instead of Jackson, the Okung thing would have been a non-issue as it relates to my perception of the 2010 draft. In fact, prior to the draft, Albert himself said he would have had no problem in sliding over so Monroe could play at LT. (IIRC)

Now, when they have a chance at potentially drafting a legitimate QBOTF in the next year or two, he's forced to play behind a substandard line, especially when you consider that Waters and Weigmann have one, possibly two years left at most.

You really want to put a potential QBOTF behind a line anchored by Albert and Richardson and who knows what two stiffs at LG and C? I'm simply looking at this from a long term perspective. I know that's a real stretch for most people around here though...

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-21-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

If they took Monroe or Oher in '09 instead of Jackson, the Okung thing would have been a non-issue as it relates to my perception of the 2010 draft. In fact, prior to the draft, Albert himself said he would have had no problem in sliding over so Monroe could play at LT. (IIRC)

Except for the fact that Monroe sucked ass last year.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Now, when they have a chance at potentially drafting a legitimate QBOTF in the next year or two, he's forced to play behind a substandard line, especially when you consider that Waters and Weigmann have one, possibly two years left at most.

Bullshit.

Finding a starting center will be easy. And replacing Waters, who's play has dropped off considerably each year won't be difficult, either. As a matter of fact, Lilja could take over now. Asamoah at right guard. Done.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You really want to put a potential QBOTF behind a line anchored by Albert and Richardson and who knows what two stiffs at LG and C? I'm simply looking at this from a long term perspective. I know that's a real stretch for most people around here though...

Absolutely.

Have you looked around the league and watched teams with good QB's play? Do you think that Brees or Rodgers or Peyton Manning or Schaub or any other number of "Franchise QB's" are playing behind an offensive line that's better than the current Chiefs?

If so, you're unbelievably wrong.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-21-2010, 05:03 PM

The offensive line has not been a weakness whatsoever. He must smoke some good shit before every game...that or his head is so far up Okung's ass, he gets high from that.

Mecca · 09-21-2010, 05:33 PM

If he wants to go into a big thing about how we should have taken the Jets trade up offer and drafted Oher, I'll listen to that one, that one makes sense.

Pioli Zombie · 09-21-2010, 05:43 PM

This is Chiefs Planet. We declare this draft and next years drafts as failures.

**petegz28** · 09-21-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Every time he's made a mistake, he's come back and made an amazing play. Berry has been victimized no doubt. But he's a stud. Anybody should be able to see that.

I remember Dale Carter in his early years. He would make a mistake and then come back and make a big play. Rookie DB's are going to make mistakes in the passing game. That is how it is. The important thing is tha the learns. And he probably won't learn overnight either.

ILChief · 09-21-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Petro has had a hate for all-things-Chiefs since day one of the Pioli/Haley era. he's an idiot and I can't take him seriously on this stuff. Berry will be fine.

Petro was the ultimate Carl ballwasher. Pioli won't give him the time of day so he criticizes everything the team does. Wright's show is much better.

**wazu** · 09-21-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Petro is a True Fan, but the point he was trying to make was a bit more nuanced than most in this thread are giving him credit for.

An actual quote from Petro today, "Eric Berry will NEVER be Troy Polamalu or Ed Reed!"

The rest of his screaming, railing, shrieking-voice rant can be debated, but that quote right there absolutely says Berry is now, and always will be, a bad pick at #5.

munkey · 09-21-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

An actual quote from Petro today, "Eric Berry will NEVER be Troy Polamalu or Ed Reed!"

The rest of his screaming, railing, shrieking-voice rant can be debated, but that quote right there absolutely says Berry is now, and always will be, a bad pick at #5.

Did Polamalu or Reed start as a rookie? If so what were there numbers? Did he mention that? Probably not...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-21-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by munkey

Did Polamalu or Reed start as a rookie? If so what were there numbers? Did he mention that? Probably not...

Eh, he backed the Cassel trade with all his reeruned little heart, so I expect jack-shit from him. Every day.

**The Bad Guy** · 09-21-2010, 09:34 PM

I see Saccobullshit is in full force again.

Thank god I have that cockbag on ignore.

**KcMizzou** · 09-21-2010, 09:51 PM

The rule of thumb is that you judge a draft class after about three seasons, right?

We tend to do it here after 5 minutes. And the consensus can swing wildly from game to game on any given player. I understand that it's what we do here... but damn...

Sometimes you've just gotta calm the F down, and let things play out.

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09-21-2010, 09:51 PM	#165
KcMizzou Supporter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Parkville MO Casino cash: $10005170	The rule of thumb is that you judge a draft class after about three seasons, right? We tend to do it here after 5 minutes. And the consensus can swing wildly from game to game on any given player. I understand that it's what we do here... but damn... Sometimes you've just gotta calm the F down, and let things play out.
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