Berry is a bust

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Admit it: You masturbate in the morning while thinking of Russell Okung and in the evening, Zane Beadles.

We'd have most likely been a lot better off for the long run with those two guys versus Berry and McCluster.

Berry has cost us two touchdowns and McCluster, for all his speed and versatility, has 2 receptions for 9 yards and two runs for a grand total of 3 yards. Sure, the special teams TD was nice, but we would have had that earlier if Studebaker had decided to pull his head out of his ass on Arenas' run. McCluster is starting to parallel Kris Wilson as our super secret offensive weapon.

Could have picked up Morgan Burnett in the third, and bingo!, quality LT, quality RT, starting safety, etc.

[Basileus777]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

We'd have most likely been a lot better off for the long run with those two guys versus Berry and McCluster.

Berry has cost us two touchdowns and McCluster, for all his speed and versatility, has 2 receptions for 9 yards and two runs for a grand total of 3 yards. Sure, the special teams TD was nice, but we would have had that earlier if Studebaker had decided to pull his head out of his ass on Arenas' run. McCluster is starting to parallel Kris Wilson as our super secret offensive weapon.

Great job talking about the long-run there.

[Hug it Out Dan]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

We'd have most likely been a lot better off for the long run with those two guys versus Berry and McCluster.

Berry has cost us two touchdowns and McCluster, for all his speed and versatility, has 2 receptions for 9 yards and two runs for a grand total of 3 yards. Sure, the special teams TD was nice, but we would have had that earlier if Studebaker had decided to pull his head out of his ass on Arenas' run. McCluster is starting to parallel Kris Wilson as our super secret offensive weapon.

Could have picked up Morgan Burnett in the third, and bingo!, quality LT, quality RT, starting safety, etc.

LOL, it's week 3. They're rookies.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Laces Out Dan

LOL, it's week 3. They're rookies.

Ignore him. His obsession with Okung and hatred of Albert is frightening.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by PGM

Ignore him. His obsession with Okung and hatred of Albert is frightening.

If they took Monroe or Oher in '09 instead of Jackson, the Okung thing would have been a non-issue as it relates to my perception of the 2010 draft. In fact, prior to the draft, Albert himself said he would have had no problem in sliding over so Monroe could play at LT. (IIRC)

Now, when they have a chance at potentially drafting a legitimate QBOTF in the next year or two, he's forced to play behind a substandard line, especially when you consider that Waters and Weigmann have one, possibly two years left at most.

You really want to put a potential QBOTF behind a line anchored by Albert and Richardson and who knows what two stiffs at LG and C? I'm simply looking at this from a long term perspective. I know that's a real stretch for most people around here though...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

If they took Monroe or Oher in '09 instead of Jackson, the Okung thing would have been a non-issue as it relates to my perception of the 2010 draft. In fact, prior to the draft, Albert himself said he would have had no problem in sliding over so Monroe could play at LT. (IIRC)

Except for the fact that Monroe sucked ass last year.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Now, when they have a chance at potentially drafting a legitimate QBOTF in the next year or two, he's forced to play behind a substandard line, especially when you consider that Waters and Weigmann have one, possibly two years left at most.

Bullshit.

Finding a starting center will be easy. And replacing Waters, who's play has dropped off considerably each year won't be difficult, either. As a matter of fact, Lilja could take over now. Asamoah at right guard. Done.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You really want to put a potential QBOTF behind a line anchored by Albert and Richardson and who knows what two stiffs at LG and C? I'm simply looking at this from a long term perspective. I know that's a real stretch for most people around here though...

Absolutely.

Have you looked around the league and watched teams with good QB's play? Do you think that Brees or Rodgers or Peyton Manning or Schaub or any other number of "Franchise QB's" are playing behind an offensive line that's better than the current Chiefs?

If so, you're unbelievably wrong.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Finding a starting center will be easy.

Yeah...he's right next to that winning Powerball ticket you've got laying on the kitchen counter. Finding a starting center was so easy, we had to beg a 38 year old Weigmann back to cover for the guy who Herm envisioned as the starting center.

And replacing Waters, who's play has dropped off considerably each year won't be difficult, either. As a matter of fact, Lilja could take over now. Asamoah at right guard. Done.

I'm hoping that Asamoah will be that LG. He's a power player, a lot like Waters, and would be a better transition next to Albert. Lilja has proven himself to be a quality RG and I'd rather have Asamoah, as a rook, learn the new spot than teach an old dog new tricks.

Have you looked around the league and watched teams with good QB's play? Do you think that Brees or Rodgers or Peyton Manning or Schaub or any other number of "Franchise QB's" are playing behind an offensive line that's better than the current Chiefs?

Yeah, they are. The Chiefs offensive line, interior wise, is greatly improved with getting Weigmann back (which I thought was a complete **** up move by Carl and Herm getting rid of him in the first place) as well as Lilja (again, nice job Carl). However, both are running on skill alone and I worry about both wearing down over the course of a season as they are both undersized and need to be pulling and trapping more than drive blocking, which they've been doing to this point supporting the establishment of the run with Jones.

And let's be honest - Cassel isn't good. We all know he holds onto the ball far too long. He doesn't see the field very well. He floats his passes. He doesn't lead his receivers properly. He looks for the checkdown immediately off the #1 receiver per the play call. I do like his size and athletic ability, but he is simply a bigger version of Damon Huard - a nice guy to have as the #2 guy on the roster.

If so, you're unbelievably wrong.

They do have better offensive lines. Lilja got kicked to the curb by the Colts because he couldn't hold off the Saints defensive line. Weigmann got released by the Doncs because he was too old - after we released him because he was too old. Waters is a shell of his former self - a guy that made a name playing besides a young Weigmann (who, at the time, was the most underrated OL in the NFL) and Big Willie Roaf. And those are our best linemen. I won't comment on the tackles because I know you've watched the games and are intelligent and can make your own objective analysis.

They also have substantially better quarterbacks. Manning might have the quickest release of any quarterback that's ever played the game. Brees is right up there in terms of his release and accuracy. Rogers has an absolute cannon that allows him to hold onto the ball. Schaub had people in Atlanta wanting to make Mike Vick a tailback due to his accuracy and patience.

Unfortunately, we don't have that at QB. You get lucky as hell getting that at QB. Cassel was the best thing that year at QB in terms of free agency or the draft. The Chiefs needed a quarterback in the worst way as they didn't know if Croyle would play again due to the knee/leg injury and the rest of the Chiefs QB's suck donkey nuts. It was Cassel and nobody else. And they put him behind a shit dick offensive line. The results were completely predictable and obvious.

Now the guy is suffering from a little Dave Carr syndrome and is doing what the OC says in terms of getting the ball out quick. (And that's been a struggle as well. I screamed at the TV multiple times on Sunday for him to get rid of/pass the ****ing ball.) The O-line held off the Browns well enough. However, the Browns have shit for a pass rush. In fact, the Chargers have shit for a pass rush.

We'll see how your vaunted Chiefs offensive line holds up against the Niners come Sunday.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah...he's right next to that winning Powerball ticket you've got laying on the kitchen counter. Finding a starting center was so easy, we had to beg a 38 year old Weigmann back to cover for the guy who Herm envisioned as the starting center.

Oh, just stop it. The Chiefs didn't make center a priority in the draft because they nabbed Weigman in free agency. Hell, the Chiefs haven't drafted a center since 1990!

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm hoping that Asamoah will be that LG. He's a power player, a lot like Waters, and would be a better transition next to Albert. Lilja has proven himself to be a quality RG and I'd rather have Asamoah, as a rook, learn the new spot than teach an old dog new tricks.

****ing dumb.

Asamoah was a four year starter at right guard. Why the **** would you move HIM to accommodate a veteran?

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah, they are. The Chiefs offensive line, interior wise, is greatly improved with getting Weigmann back (which I thought was a complete **** up move by Carl and Herm getting rid of him in the first place) as well as Lilja (again, nice job Carl). However, both are running on skill alone and I worry about both wearing down over the course of a season as they are both undersized and need to be pulling and trapping more than drive blocking, which they've been doing to this point supporting the establishment of the run with Jones.

You're worried?

Just stop it, Dude. They'll be fine.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

They do have better offensive lines. Lilja got kicked to the curb by the Colts because he couldn't hold off the Saints defensive line. Weigmann got released by the Doncs because he was too old - after we released him because he was too old. Waters is a shell of his former self - a guy that made a name playing besides a young Weigmann (who, at the time, was the most underrated OL in the NFL) and Big Willie Roaf. And those are our best linemen. I won't comment on the tackles because I know you've watched the games and are intelligent and can make your own objective analysis.

My "analysis" is completely different than yours. The 2010 line is FINE. They need to move Lilja to LG and Asamoah to RG in 2011 and either draft or acquire a younger center.

DONE.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

They also have substantially better quarterbacks. Manning might have the quickest release of any quarterback that's ever played the game. Brees is right up there in terms of his release and accuracy. Rogers has an absolute cannon that allows him to hold onto the ball. Schaub had people in Atlanta wanting to make Mike Vick a tailback due to his accuracy and patience.

Duh.

And the Chiefs will most likely have a new starter in 2011. Hell, they may have a new starter in 2010.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Unfortunately, we don't have that at QB. You get lucky as hell getting that at QB. Cassel was the best thing that year at QB in terms of free agency or the draft. The Chiefs needed a quarterback in the worst way as they didn't know if Croyle would play again due to the knee/leg injury and the rest of the Chiefs QB's suck donkey nuts. It was Cassel and nobody else. And they put him behind a shit dick offensive line. The results were completely predictable and obvious.

JFC, You DO NOT build an offensive line and THEN add a "Franchise QB".

Anyone of those guys I mentioned (Manning, Manning, Schaub, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, Romo, Brady etc.) would start behind this line with NO issues.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Now the guy is suffering from a little Dave Carr syndrome and is doing what the OC says in terms of getting the ball out quick. (And that's been a struggle as well. I screamed at the TV multiple times on Sunday for him to get rid of/pass the ****ing ball.) The O-line held off the Browns well enough. However, the Browns have shit for a pass rush. In fact, the Chargers have shit for a pass rush.

Bullshit. He was sacked 47 times in New England behind the same line in which Tom Brady was sacked only 21 times.

Rodgers was sacked 50 times last year. Does he have "David Carr Syndrome"?

No.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

We'll see how your vaunted Chiefs offensive line holds up against the Niners come Sunday.

They've held up fine against the Browns and Chargers. IF they get to Cassel it'll be for the usual reason: He holds on to the ball for an extraordinarily lengthy amount of time.

He sucks ass and is dragging the offense down with him.