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Old 10-10-2010, 07:25 PM  
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The Myths of Why We Shouldn't Play Croyle..
Myth #1: He will just get hurt.

If that's the case WTF is he our #2 then? If Cassel gets hurt he is going in, so what then?

Myth #2: He is 0-9 as a starter so he can't do the job.

What ****ing job? Hand the ball off? What is it that Cassel does that makes some think Brodie can't do the same if not better?

Nevermind that 8 of Croyle's losses came behind one of the worst offensive lines in Chiefs history with absolutely 0 pass protection and 0 running game.

The 1 game Brodie started under Haley he did ok in until late. I firmly believe had he had more time with the starters the 4 TD's he overthrew against Baltimore would have turned out different

Myth #3: He isn't the long term answer.

I agree, but neither is ****ing Cassel. As much as I like what we are doing right now is actually not a bad time to change QB's.



When it comes down to it you have to look at things this year. Cassel has taken 2 sacks in 4 games. Meaning the O-line is much better in protection and we have a great running game to help him. Croyle, while not a long term answer, can actually throw the ****ing ball with some zip on it for more than 5 yards.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:50 AM   #61
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The better question would be downside. Are we worried about Cassel's confidence? He doesn't play with any now. He's not physically scared, like Huard, but he has no awareness.
I don't know what you're watching, but Cassel is more scared than Huard. I know Huard goes fetal, but he did hang in the pocket on several occasions. Let's face it Huard>Cassel.
Cassel ALWAYS looks scared.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:54 AM   #62
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Cassel is not horrible, he's skiddish and makes some "rookie" mistakes that he should have outgrown already. The 4th and 2 on the 6 yard line pass to DBowe, looked like if he waited one more second he could have had an open tony to the corner of the endzone, but alas, he felt "pressure" that wasn't there and forced the throw to the unopen WR and we had no points on the board.

That being said, I'm still waiting for this guy to show me why he was worth the money that Clark is paying him. I don't need him to be Montana but DAMN Flacco would be nice....

Croyle, I've always thought, gets a bad rap on here because of he's "so prone to injury". But having had injuries at one time does not mean he's "fragile" and therefore never ever going to become better than you'd think.

Actually, from the things I've seen watching this team and seeing Cassel and Croyle throw, I really do believe that Croyle has the better arm, WITH accuracy, compared to Cassel. what I don't know is how he'd respond to being the starter with this team this year. But I'm ready to explore that option now. I'm so tired of seeing cassel under/over throw and stare down his receivers, TOO MANY times in EVERY GAME this year.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:57 AM   #63
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Myth #1: He will just get hurt.

If that's the case WTF is he our #2 then? If Cassel gets hurt he is going in, so what then?

Myth #2: He is 0-9 as a starter so he can't do the job.

What ****ing job? Hand the ball off? What is it that Cassel does that makes some think Brodie can't do the same if not better?

Nevermind that 8 of Croyle's losses came behind one of the worst offensive lines in Chiefs history with absolutely 0 pass protection and 0 running game.

The 1 game Brodie started under Haley he did ok in until late. I firmly believe had he had more time with the starters the 4 TD's he overthrew against Baltimore would have turned out different

Myth #3: He isn't the long term answer.

I agree, but neither is ****ing Cassel. As much as I like what we are doing right now is actually not a bad time to change QB's.



When it comes down to it you have to look at things this year. Cassel has taken 2 sacks in 4 games. Meaning the O-line is much better in protection and we have a great running game to help him. Croyle, while not a long term answer, can actually throw the ****ing ball with some zip on it for more than 5 yards.
Not only does he throw the ball w/ better zip, but he makes better reads. And unlike Cassel, Croyle is not as hesitant in the pocket. I could think of some many reasons why Croyle is better. He has better pocket awareness, better vision, better delivery, and just better overall poise.

Quite frankly, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't play him? If they're asking Cassel to do the simple things, and he can't even succeed in an offense that evolves around a short passing game, then that spells suckage to me. I've seen other QB's sadly, like Bono and Huard manage that style of offense better than he has. We have nothing to lose at this point by playing Croyle.
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Old 10-11-2010, 02:23 AM   #64
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We have nothing to lose at this point by playing Croyle.
Your arguments are all pretty much fail. I am just going to take your last one as an example.

We are in 1st place. We have EVERYTHING to lose....You don't make this kind of drastic change after 4 games when you are 3-1....Esepcially when the game before last was actually pretty good and the last game's loss was to a better football team and the fault was mainly not with the QB...There were other worse factors in the indy game. Since they have made the decision thus far to roll with Mark Castle....they will be rolling with him next week.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:16 AM   #65
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This is like comparing the plusses and minuses of diarrhea with soft, runny stool.

How about we stop fooling around with crap and acquire a real quarterback.
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Old 10-11-2010, 05:27 AM   #66
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Exactly. How many wasted opportunities were there before and after the pass Bowe dropped?
Wasted opportunities? Pete, if you watched all the routes that our WR's ran yesterday, you would noticed that there were only 2-3 times that someone was even remotely close to being open. The Colts secondary just absolutley shut down the WR's of the Chiefs yesterday. Owned is a very good word for it.

I understand that we have a QB that sucks the penis, this isnt news, But to actually see in person how truely aweful Bowe and Chambers are.. I was stunned to say the least. They are slow, lazy, their routes are garbage...
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Old 10-11-2010, 05:38 AM   #67
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I don't know what you're watching, but Cassel is more scared than Huard. I know Huard goes fetal, but he did hang in the pocket on several occasions. Let's face it Huard>Cassel.
Cassel ALWAYS looks scared.
I dislike Cassel more than any QB we've had since the 90s on, but this is going too far, IMO. Huard, literally, quit on the field. As worthless as Cassel is, he hasn't reached this level yet.
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Old 10-11-2010, 05:46 AM   #68
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I dislike Cassel more than any QB we've had since the 90s on, but this is going too far, IMO. Huard, literally, quit on the field. As worthless as Cassel is, he hasn't reached this level yet.
The Denver game at home in what year did Huard quit on his team? Should be a good trivia question?
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Cassel is not horrible, he's skiddish and makes some "rookie" mistakes that he should have outgrown already. The 4th and 2 on the 6 yard line pass to DBowe, looked like if he waited one more second he could have had an open tony to the corner of the endzone, but alas, he felt "pressure" that wasn't there and forced the throw to the unopen WR and we had no points on the board.

That being said, I'm still waiting for this guy to show me why he was worth the money that Clark is paying him. I don't need him to be Montana but DAMN Flacco would be nice....

Croyle, I've always thought, gets a bad rap on here because of he's "so prone to injury". But having had injuries at one time does not mean he's "fragile" and therefore never ever going to become better than you'd think.

Actually, from the things I've seen watching this team and seeing Cassel and Croyle throw, I really do believe that Croyle has the better arm, WITH accuracy, compared to Cassel. what I don't know is how he'd respond to being the starter with this team this year. But I'm ready to explore that option now. I'm so tired of seeing cassel under/over throw and stare down his receivers, TOO MANY times in EVERY GAME this year.
and just where have you seen this greatness of Croyle? Neither QB is the answer.
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I just wish we could have seen what he could do.
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JUST PLAY THE GUY! I hear the injury stuff, but how do we lose in putting him in? Just play him.
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