Chiefs The Myths of Why We Shouldn't Play Croyle.. - Page 3

**petegz28** · 10-10-2010, 07:25 PM

Myth #1: He will just get hurt.

If that's the case WTF is he our #2 then? If Cassel gets hurt he is going in, so what then?

Myth #2: He is 0-9 as a starter so he can't do the job.

What ****ing job? Hand the ball off? What is it that Cassel does that makes some think Brodie can't do the same if not better?

Nevermind that 8 of Croyle's losses came behind one of the worst offensive lines in Chiefs history with absolutely 0 pass protection and 0 running game.

The 1 game Brodie started under Haley he did ok in until late. I firmly believe had he had more time with the starters the 4 TD's he overthrew against Baltimore would have turned out different

Myth #3: He isn't the long term answer.

I agree, but neither is ****ing Cassel. As much as I like what we are doing right now is actually not a bad time to change QB's.

When it comes down to it you have to look at things this year. Cassel has taken 2 sacks in 4 games. Meaning the O-line is much better in protection and we have a great running game to help him. Croyle, while not a long term answer, can actually throw the ****ing ball with some zip on it for more than 5 yards.

**petegz28** · 10-10-2010, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Yep. He consistently looks like he has no clue. He always stares down receivers and he's a drive killer. I did think his throw to dbowe in the endzone was great but that's few and far between...

Exactly. How many wasted opportunities were there before and after the pass Bowe dropped?

BillSelfsTrophycase · 10-10-2010, 07:53 PM

What's the worst that could happen? He gets hurt and we end up where we are now

Give it a try

**Bane** · 10-10-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Carls20yearplan

What's the worst that could happen? He gets hurt and we end up where we are now

Give it a try

Works for me I guess.

Frankie · 10-10-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Myth #3: He isn't the long term answer.

I agree, but neither is ****ing Cassel. As much as I like what we are doing right now is actually not a bad time to change QB's.

If you agree with myth #3 aren't you saying it's NOT a myth? :hmmm

**petegz28** · 10-10-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

If you agree with myth #3 aren't you saying it's NOT a myth? :hmmm

It is because not playing him for that reason is bunk. Cassel isn't the long term answer either. We don't have a long term answer.

Frankie · 10-10-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

It is because not playing him for that reason is bunk. Cassel isn't the long term answer either. We don't have a long term answer.

Admit it pete. I am right. As I'm always right when I debate you in that other forum.

Macroach · 10-10-2010, 08:04 PM

We don't need Brokie to be Tom Brady out there. We just want a REALISTIC chance that he will make a semi-accurate throw downfield to a receiver who is being covered in man coverage. We need just enough throws to prevent 8 men in the box because the defense knows our only viable threat is to run the ball.

The defense is willing to take the chance and load the box knowing that the perfect storm has to occur for Cassell to hurt them. Will he be able to locate the open receiver? Will this receiver be the best option or will it be the checkdown 95% of the time? Will he make an accurate throw covering more than 10 yards in the air? Will our #1 receiver catch that throw? Will the O-Line be able to protect Cassell long enough for his brain to process all this data? Will the ball slip from his hands for no apparent reason while he's concentrating on all of the above?

DBOSHO · 10-10-2010, 08:07 PM

Croyle wouldve made that throw to bowe in the endzone on the first drive.

**petegz28** · 10-10-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Croyle wouldve made that throw to bowe in the endzone on the first drive.

I'm willing to bet Croyle would have realized Bowe had 3 defenders around him and checked off to Copper or Castille or just ran it.

kcxiv · 10-10-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Yep. He consistently looks like he has no clue. He always stares down receivers and he's a drive killer. I did think his throw to dbowe in the endzone was great but that's few and far between...

Thats the thing with Cassel he is NEVER EVER in a groove. OTher qb's while they may not set the world on fire, they have a streak where they are on it. Cassel? never. He's all over the place all the time. Great throw here, next play beyond terrible throw. He will have a few more bad throws before he has a good throw.

He has no consistency at all when throwing a football. I sat here wqatching the game today and Cassel will throw a good pass and i am like ya, ok, now we got something going. Maybe Cassel will be in a little zone. Next pass not even close.

IT FRUSTRATES ME!!!!!!!!

slothf · 10-10-2010, 08:11 PM

i agree with a few posts that could swing either way. I have hated croyle for being a little b#$ch but he does have a nice spiral and he always looks at more than one receiver. Cassel on the other hand will hike the ball and then look and stare at the spot he is throwing the ball....worthless... dead give away everytime...thats why the only long plays we have had have been from trick plays or JC

**petegz28** · 10-10-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by slothf

i agree with a few posts that could swing either way. I have hated croyle for being a little b#$ch but he does have a nice spiral and he always looks at more than one receiver. Cassel on the other hand will hike the ball and then look and stare at the spot he is throwing the ball....worthless... dead give away everytime...thats why the only long plays we have had have been from trick plays or JC

I think it comes from lack of recognition. Or perhaps he is thinking too much? Most QB's got a pretty good idea of what the defense is going to do before the ball is snapped. It's like Cassel gets the ball then waits to see if he is right?

beach tribe · 10-10-2010, 08:13 PM

You do it to try to get a spark, and If he gets hurt, then you're back to Cassel. What have you got to lose? Nothing. Cassel should be yanked. It's Croyle's turn to get a shot. I don't give a shit what his record is under Herman Fn Edwards.

**petegz28** · 10-10-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

You do it to try to get a spark, and If he gets hurt, then you're back to Cassel. What have you got to lose? Nothing. Cassel should be yanked. It's Croyle's turn to get a shot. I don't give a shit what his record is under Herman Fn Edwards.

But, but, but.....that could bruise the psyche of Cassel

prhom · 10-10-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Croyle being 0-9 as a starter isn't a myth.

How about this, the guy has never been impressive. He isn't accurate he isn't mobile. I say that as a person who rooted like hell for him after we drafted him.

He throws the ball hard. That's all he has got.

At this point I don't give a shit, start him but he is nothing special.

I don't think you can say he's not accurate. Football is a little like poker, you don't always have to complete a pass over 20 yards, but if the other team thinks you might you've accomplished something. I think that alone would help the run game continue to be successful.

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Macroach Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Casino cash: $3215591	We don't need Brokie to be Tom Brady out there. We just want a REALISTIC chance that he will make a semi-accurate throw downfield to a receiver who is being covered in man coverage. We need just enough throws to prevent 8 men in the box because the defense knows our only viable threat is to run the ball. The defense is willing to take the chance and load the box knowing that the perfect storm has to occur for Cassell to hurt them. Will he be able to locate the open receiver? Will this receiver be the best option or will it be the checkdown 95% of the time? Will he make an accurate throw covering more than 10 yards in the air? Will our #1 receiver catch that throw? Will the O-Line be able to protect Cassell long enough for his brain to process all this data? Will the ball slip from his hands for no apparent reason while he's concentrating on all of the above?
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slothf Rookie Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC Casino cash: $10004900	i agree with a few posts that could swing either way. I have hated croyle for being a little b#$ch but he does have a nice spiral and he always looks at more than one receiver. Cassel on the other hand will hike the ball and then look and stare at the spot he is throwing the ball....worthless... dead give away everytime...thats why the only long plays we have had have been from trick plays or JC
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10-10-2010, 08:13 PM	#43
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3908036	You do it to try to get a spark, and If he gets hurt, then you're back to Cassel. What have you got to lose? Nothing. Cassel should be yanked. It's Croyle's turn to get a shot. I don't give a shit what his record is under Herman Fn Edwards.
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