Chiefs Pioli's offseason. - Page 3

Direckshun · 08-04-2011, 12:33 AM

* He franchised Hali at the start of it.

* He drafted the following:

1. WR Jonathan Baldwin + a 3rd
2. C Rodney Hudson
3. OLB Justin Houston
3. DE Allen Bailey
4. CB Jalil Brown
5. QB Ricky Stanzi
5. OLB Gabe Miller
6. NT Jerrell Powe
7. FB Shane Bannon

* Vrabel retires. (Pioli's commitment to youth at OLB at least a contributing factor.)

* Signed Casey Wiegmann.

* Brought in a dozen UDFAs, including three people I would imagine will make the roster: DE Brandon Bair, OT David Mims, and KR Demond Washington.

* Signed Steve Breaston.

* Brought back Battle, Cox, Copper, Pope, O'Callaghan, Daniels, McGraw, and Langford.

* Brought every rookie but Houston into camp on time.

* Richardson, Gilberry will sign their tenders. Carr is holding out as of this moment.

* Signed Kelly Gregg.

* Sign LeRon McClain.

* Locked up Hali long term.

This is a typical offseason for Pioli. Discipline, discipline, discipline, and hold out for value at every turn.

As a result, we can say that this team has been moderately improved for 2011 by these moves alone, but that the biggest improvement will be for all this youth to see the field and as it improves, the sky's the limit.

Bravo.

InChiefsHeaven · 08-04-2011, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Are you guys ready for Pioli to trade a #1 pick in year X for a 2 in year X and a 1 in year X+1?

Ready to see him constantly sliding back in the draft to get more draft picks? NOT picking the guy on the board that YOU want (and are convinced is THE difference between winning the SB and not)?

Ready to see your favorite players leave the team for more money elsewhere?

Because if he's following the BB playbook, it's gonna happen. And believe me, huge portions of the fan base will NOT be happy. Some Pats fans still bitch about it, and can list EVERY player on the board that BB didn't draft who performed very well as a pro.

Um...how many SB's? A team that is a consistent contender for the last decade? I think Chiefs fans could live with it. If Pats fans are bitching about their team, it makes me hate them even more. No offense.

**wazu** · 08-04-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Are you guys ready for Pioli to trade a #1 pick in year X for a 2 in year X and a 1 in year X+1?

Ready to see him constantly sliding back in the draft to get more draft picks? NOT picking the guy on the board that YOU want (and are convinced is THE difference between winning the SB and not)?

Ready to see your favorite players leave the team for more money elsewhere?

Yes, yes, and yes. Oh, and Pioli - if you are reading this: Matt Cassel is my favorite player.

Sofa King · 08-04-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

As well as Pioli has done. Clark has to be on the lookout for his replacement. It's the nature of the beast. Or you end up with Peterson, who stayed twice as long as he should have

Chiefnj2 · 08-04-2011, 08:41 AM

Overall he's done a good job on paper this offseason.

I'm still puzzled over the NT's he's passed over in the last two drafts and the fact that he didn't draft or sign bigger named free agents for the OT positions.

Reerun_KC · 08-04-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

As well as Pioli has done. Clark has to be on the lookout for his replacement. It's the nature of the beast. Or you end up with Peterson, who stayed twice as long as he should have

Wow that was stupid...

Reerun_KC · 08-04-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Overall he's done a good job on paper this offseason.

I'm still puzzled over the NT's he's passed over in the last two drafts and the fact that he didn't draft or sign bigger named free agents for the OT positions.

its a process...

Amnorix · 08-04-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

heh, sometimes i think BB overthinks things and outsmarts himself instead of just doing the most obvious correct thing.

Some Pats fans have said that also.

ct · 08-04-2011, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Um...how many SB's? A team that is a consistent contender for the last decade? I think Chiefs fans could live with it. If Pats fans are bitching about their team, it makes me hate them even more. No offense.

No offense, but are you new around here?

Pioli has done a solid job to get this ship headed the right direction. I'm thinking we need to remember it was BOTH the slow and steady, PLUS the occasional splash approach that get the job done for NE. That and finding the franchise QB gem in the 6th round, who was ready to shock the world in season 1.5, that had a bit to do with it too.

I was already ticked this year that we didn't take Carimi @21, but after getting past that, I like what they did. Certainly takes the luster off that Houston is still holding out, i'll be frank on that one! Overall tho, if we can make some moves to keep multiple picks stacked for next year, allowing maximum flexibility, I'm totally on board with it. But I definitely think BB goes overboard, at least I hope it's more BB than SP.

Amnorix · 08-04-2011, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Um...how many SB's? A team that is a consistent contender for the last decade? I think Chiefs fans could live with it. If Pats fans are bitching about their team, it makes me hate them even more. No offense.

Pats haven't won a SB since 2004. That's 7 years, which is a long time when you figure that Brady has been getting BETTER, and we damn well know he won't paly forever. He just had his 34th birthday. The time is NOW, scream the fanbase.

WHY did we pass on Clay Matthews? Our pass rush sucks and we trade away from the pick? WTF? Why do we never draft an OLB. How can you run a 3-4 withou a decent OLB? How can you win in the playoffs without a decent pass rush? How can you go 14-2 and then lose your first playoff game at home to the ****ing Jets?

It's endless, and I'm 1,000% sure that an equally large percentage of Chiefs fans would do the exact same thing in our shoes.

I tend to give BB all the benefit of doubt in the world, but sliding back in the draft is never fun, and trading picks into next year isn't exciting.

DTLB58 · 08-04-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Overall he's done a good job on paper this offseason.

I'm still puzzled over the NT's he's passed over in the last two drafts and the fact that he didn't draft or sign bigger named free agents for the OT positions.

Well if Powe and Richardson work out he will have done good there also.

DTLB58 · 08-04-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

As well as Pioli has done. Clark has to be on the lookout for his replacement. It's the nature of the beast. Or you end up with Peterson, who stayed twice as long as he should have

I understand what you are saying. Someone in Clarks position should always be looking for young talent and watching them as they develop especially from within.

I wouldn't know why Pioli would want to leave at some point except for maybe to head back East?

DTLB58 · 08-04-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Pats haven't won a SB since 2004. That's 7 years, which is a long time when you figure that Brady has been getting BETTER, and we damn well know he won't paly forever. He just had his 34th birthday. The time is NOW, scream the fanbase.

WHY did we pass on Clay Matthews? Our pass rush sucks and we trade away from the pick? WTF? Why do we never draft an OLB. How can you run a 3-4 withou a decent OLB? How can you win in the playoffs without a decent pass rush? How can you go 14-2 and then lose your first playoff game at home to the ****ing Jets?

It's endless, and I'm 1,000% sure that an equally large percentage of Chiefs fans would do the exact same thing in our shoes.

I tend to give BB all the benefit of doubt in the world, but sliding back in the draft is never fun, and trading picks into next year isn't exciting.

The Pats loss to the Jets cause they got out coached that day period.

Two, at some point they need to start drafting talent instead of trading down "for next year." I feel your pain.

Then why did they release their leading sacker from last season?

Chiefnj2 · 08-04-2011, 09:23 AM

I wonder what Pioli's approval rating will be at the end of December after KC faces a brutal schedule and likely goes 2-5.

**The Franchise** · 08-04-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I wonder what Pioli's approval rating will be at the end of December after KC faces a brutal schedule and likely goes 2-5.

This.

I like the direction of the team.....but a lot of this team is still really young and our schedule is rough. Even with these signings.....I'm still looking at anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7.

ct · 08-04-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I wonder what Pioli's approval rating will be at the end of December after KC faces a brutal schedule and likely goes 2-5.

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

This.

I like the direction of the team.....but a lot of this team is still really young and our schedule is rough. Even with these signings.....I'm still looking at anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7.

Agree w/ you two on that. We'd better start off like banshee, cause that stretch is killer, and I honestly don't think this team is ready for that. This team is still growing, with all the growing pains that come with it too. Last year was more an anomaly than a true indication of where we are from a progress standpoint. I enjoyed the hell out of it, but we're not there yet, and I really don't think we'll get 10 wins this season.

EDIT: Oh and I do think that late season bashing will fall on Cassel's shoulders, not Pioli. jmo

08-04-2011, 12:33 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2103447	Pioli's offseason. * He franchised Hali at the start of it. * He drafted the following: 1. WR Jonathan Baldwin + a 3rd 2. C Rodney Hudson 3. OLB Justin Houston 3. DE Allen Bailey 4. CB Jalil Brown 5. QB Ricky Stanzi 5. OLB Gabe Miller 6. NT Jerrell Powe 7. FB Shane Bannon * Vrabel retires. (Pioli's commitment to youth at OLB at least a contributing factor.) * Signed Casey Wiegmann. * Brought in a dozen UDFAs, including three people I would imagine will make the roster: DE Brandon Bair, OT David Mims, and KR Demond Washington. * Signed Steve Breaston. * Brought back Battle, Cox, Copper, Pope, O'Callaghan, Daniels, McGraw, and Langford. * Brought every rookie but Houston into camp on time. * Richardson, Gilberry will sign their tenders. Carr is holding out as of this moment. * Signed Kelly Gregg. * Sign LeRon McClain. * Locked up Hali long term. This is a typical offseason for Pioli. Discipline, discipline, discipline, and hold out for value at every turn. As a result, we can say that this team has been moderately improved for 2011 by these moves alone, but that the biggest improvement will be for all this youth to see the field and as it improves, the sky's the limit. Bravo.
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