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**bevischief** · 11-30-2011, 09:29 AM

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What If The QBOTF Isn't There?

1528290_f520_tiny by citadelchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 AM CST

From the FanPosts -Joel

As we begin to accept that the Kansas City Chiefs will probably miss the playoffs and will be drafting in the top 15 next year, there is a lot of talk about who the Chiefs should be taking...OK, we've already been talking about it for a couple months now. Obviously, the majority of Chiefs fans are looking at QB with the first pick, and rightfully so. Personally, I agree. I would love for KC to get Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III.

However, I am a plan for the worst and hope for the best type of guy.

Star-divide
Looking ahead at the 2012 NFL Draft, I see some very worrisome possibilities in the Chiefs drafting the QBOTF with the first pick. It is a strong QB class with plenty of potential stars, journeymen starters, and quality backups. However, we have had our fill of journeymen and backups...we want our star. So, that limits our options to Luck, Barkley, and Griffin.

So what's the problem? There are several:

1. Indianapolis - The Colts have all but wrapped up the 1st overall pick, and with an aging Peyton Manning coming off of an injured neck, they would have to be crazy to pass over Andrew Luck.

2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's what everyone needs to be thinking when it comes to Matt Moore. The Dolphins would be nuts to put their future in his hands. The Panthers tried that, and now have Cam Newton...so the Dolphins will get Matt Barkley. Hmm, maybe the Chiefs should sign Matt Moore so we can get our QBOTF?

3. Washington - John Beck or Rex Grossman? Yeah, let's face it, the Skins will be going QB early this year. The good news here is that Landry Jones is rated higher than RGIII on some boards...so maybe the Chiefs dodge a bullet with that one.

4. Seattle - That bullet we just dodged? Yeah, it turned around and got us. Seattle gave up a 3rd rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. They signed Tavaris Jackson so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. I really don't see this happening a 3rd time. Griffin just got snagged.

5. Arizona - Kevin Kolb failed miserably. There was some life with John Skelton, but that quickly fell apart as well. The Cardinals may be looking at a new coach and a new QB to go with him. If any of those top 3 are available, I just can't see them passing on that opportunity.

6. Philadelphia - What?! That's right, you heard me. Don't think for a second that the Eagles won't pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. Mike Vick started out great for them, but then he has steadily declined, just like he did in Atlanta. Vince Young has played well enough that he can probably get himself a pretty good opportunity somewhere else.

7. New York - Don't get it twisted, Mark Sanchez is playing for his future right now. Rex Ryan pulling him off the 1st team for a couple practices wasn't about him losing his job to Mark Brunell this year, it was about him losing his job to a new guy next season. Sanchez isn't down and out yet, but if the Jets don't make the playoffs? Well, Sanchez might want to warm up his clipboard arm.

So there it is. My list of concerns. And this doesn't include the teams like Chicago, Denver, and New Orleans who will be in the market for backups and future projects.

Now, the Chiefs do have the option to trade up. The Jets did it for Sanchez and the Falcons did it for Jones...but are the Chiefs in the same place as either of those teams? I look at the roster, and it sure doesn't appear that way. I'm not against a trade up, but I can't say I'm thrilled about the idea.

suds79 · 11-30-2011, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Literature

Honestly, we never gave Brodie Croyle the chance to succeed here. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB in the later rounds (no higher than 3-4), but if we don't, we should talk to Croyle.

You're kidding right? Excuse me if there's sarcasm noted and I missed it.

kcpasco · 11-30-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Literature

Honestly, we never gave Brodie Croyle the chance to succeed here. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB in the later rounds (no higher than 3-4), but if we don't, we should talk to Croyle.

We got Stanzi here who nobody knows if he can get it done because the staff won't give him a chance. And you wanna bring Croyle back? Lol

Brodie had his chance

milkman · 11-30-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

You also have to figure in they were running over lineman weighing 250lbs at most. I doubt they would look so "powerful" in todays NFL or college game. They were just ahead of their time.

I am aware of the different eras.

I am saying that TR compares favorably today to Campbell in his day.

I think Richardson is going to better than Peterson.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 11-30-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Literature

Honestly, we never gave Brodie Croyle the chance to succeed here. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB in the later rounds (no higher than 3-4), but if we don't, we should talk to Croyle.

Seriously? Darn near every time Brodie took the field it ended with an injury. That's not something you can have at QB. There is a reason Croyle is getting cut from other teams.

He's not the sharpest tool in the shed. And that's being nice.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-30-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think these Chiefs have a very good chance at picking high enough to draft the QB they need in the first roind.

However, should I be wrong about that, I'd be willing to see if Foles or Tannehill (who I haven't seen, so I'm basing this on what I'm reading) are there in the second round.

I also like Ryan Lindley, and would take a flyer on him.

I like Matt Flynn, but really, what have actually seen?

Flynn is the only backup from another team I'd be OK with - and only if we found a way to give Tom Clements the OC and QB coach position.

Nightfyre · 11-30-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Flynn is the only backup from another team I'd be OK with - and only if we found a way to give Tom Clements the OC and QB coach position.

Brilliance.

Jenson71 · 11-30-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

You're kidding right? Excuse me if there's sarcasm noted and I missed it.

I have my reasons. They're not exactly on-field football reasons, though.

**the Talking Can** · 11-30-2011, 10:02 AM

yeah, why would we trade up for a franchise QB when staying put has served us so well for 30 years...

omg it is risky!!!

we need that 2nd round pick to draft McCluster...

WV · 11-30-2011, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Literature

Honestly, we never gave Brodie Croyle the chance to succeed here. I'm not opposed to drafting a QB in the later rounds (no higher than 3-4), but if we don't, we should talk to Croyle.

Nightfyre · 11-30-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yeah, why would we trade up for a franchise QB when staying put has served us so well for 30 years...

omg it is risky!!!

we need that 2nd round pick to draft McCluster...

I agree with the contents of this post with one qualification:

This year's draft seems very deep compared to previous drafts, so perhaps trading next year's picks or possibly even players could net us higher value. But facts are facts, you pay what you have to in order to acquire your franchise QB.

suds79 · 11-30-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yeah, why would we trade up for a franchise QB when staying put has served us so well for 30 years...

omg it is risky!!!

we need that 2nd round pick to draft McCluster...

This.

And that pretty much sums up our backup plan if the QBOTF isn't going to be there.

milkman · 11-30-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Flynn is the only backup from another team I'd be OK with - and only if we found a way to give Tom Clements the OC and QB coach position.

I like Flynn, what little we've seen, and if you gave me a choice between him, Cassel and Orton, I'd take Flynn, no questions asked, even without Clements.

But if you tell me I have a choice between Flynn and a first round QB, well that isn't even a close choice.

Flynn was a 7th round pick, wasn't he?

There's a reason for that.

**the Talking Can** · 11-30-2011, 10:12 AM

the thought of RG3 lining up with Charles, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, and Moeaki should give anyone a giant football boner....

the fanbase would go crazy for a young QB

i'll never understand why this franchise can't see it...

Deberg_1990 · 11-30-2011, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

the thought of RG3 lining up with Charles, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, and Moeaki should give anyone a giant football boner....

the fanbase would go crazy for a young QB

i'll never understand why this franchise can't see it...

Plus it would really help get the team national attention, Jersey sales, and maybe even an NFL 360 commercial. Get on the Bus!

Basically, more $$$ for Clark. Why cant he see this?

Frankie · 11-30-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bevischief

2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

The correct wording is, "Fool me once, shame on,...shame on you. If fooled you can't get fooled again."

BTW, 4 QBs in the first 4 picks is so historically strange that is hard to believe it will actually happen.

11-30-2011, 09:29 AM
bevischief .... Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere Kansas Casino cash: $7729352 VARSITY	What If The QBOTF Isn't There? http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/1...here#storyjump What If The QBOTF Isn't There? 1528290_f520_tiny by citadelchief on Nov 30, 2011 7:08 AM CST From the FanPosts -Joel As we begin to accept that the Kansas City Chiefs will probably miss the playoffs and will be drafting in the top 15 next year, there is a lot of talk about who the Chiefs should be taking...OK, we've already been talking about it for a couple months now. Obviously, the majority of Chiefs fans are looking at QB with the first pick, and rightfully so. Personally, I agree. I would love for KC to get Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or Robert Griffin III. However, I am a plan for the worst and hope for the best type of guy. Star-divide Looking ahead at the 2012 NFL Draft, I see some very worrisome possibilities in the Chiefs drafting the QBOTF with the first pick. It is a strong QB class with plenty of potential stars, journeymen starters, and quality backups. However, we have had our fill of journeymen and backups...we want our star. So, that limits our options to Luck, Barkley, and Griffin. So what's the problem? There are several: 1. Indianapolis - The Colts have all but wrapped up the 1st overall pick, and with an aging Peyton Manning coming off of an injured neck, they would have to be crazy to pass over Andrew Luck. 2. Miami - Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's what everyone needs to be thinking when it comes to Matt Moore. The Dolphins would be nuts to put their future in his hands. The Panthers tried that, and now have Cam Newton...so the Dolphins will get Matt Barkley. Hmm, maybe the Chiefs should sign Matt Moore so we can get our QBOTF? 3. Washington - John Beck or Rex Grossman? Yeah, let's face it, the Skins will be going QB early this year. The good news here is that Landry Jones is rated higher than RGIII on some boards...so maybe the Chiefs dodge a bullet with that one. 4. Seattle - That bullet we just dodged? Yeah, it turned around and got us. Seattle gave up a 3rd rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. They signed Tavaris Jackson so they wouldn't have to draft a QB. I really don't see this happening a 3rd time. Griffin just got snagged. 5. Arizona - Kevin Kolb failed miserably. There was some life with John Skelton, but that quickly fell apart as well. The Cardinals may be looking at a new coach and a new QB to go with him. If any of those top 3 are available, I just can't see them passing on that opportunity. 6. Philadelphia - What?! That's right, you heard me. Don't think for a second that the Eagles won't pull the trigger if the opportunity is there. Mike Vick started out great for them, but then he has steadily declined, just like he did in Atlanta. Vince Young has played well enough that he can probably get himself a pretty good opportunity somewhere else. 7. New York - Don't get it twisted, Mark Sanchez is playing for his future right now. Rex Ryan pulling him off the 1st team for a couple practices wasn't about him losing his job to Mark Brunell this year, it was about him losing his job to a new guy next season. Sanchez isn't down and out yet, but if the Jets don't make the playoffs? Well, Sanchez might want to warm up his clipboard arm. So there it is. My list of concerns. And this doesn't include the teams like Chicago, Denver, and New Orleans who will be in the market for backups and future projects. Now, the Chiefs do have the option to trade up. The Jets did it for Sanchez and the Falcons did it for Jones...but are the Chiefs in the same place as either of those teams? I look at the roster, and it sure doesn't appear that way. I'm not against a trade up, but I can't say I'm thrilled about the idea.
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11-30-2011, 10:02 AM	#38
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9152208	yeah, why would we trade up for a franchise QB when staying put has served us so well for 30 years... omg it is risky!!! we need that 2nd round pick to draft McCluster... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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11-30-2011, 10:12 AM	#43
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9152208	the thought of RG3 lining up with Charles, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, and Moeaki should give anyone a giant football boner.... the fanbase would go crazy for a young QB i'll never understand why this franchise can't see it... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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