Shockey rips Texans for lack of national anthem etiquette

[Deberg_1990]

http://www.chron.com/sports/article/...te-2410816.php



HOUSTON (AP) — Carolina Panthers tight end Jeremy Shockey criticized members of the Houston Texans for not putting their hands over their hearts during the national anthem.

Shockey says he saw "about 10 players" who didn't do the traditional gesture when the anthem is played, and he told some of them how he felt during Carolina's 28-13 victory.

"I was pretty upset in the way they weren't showing respect to America during the national anthem," Shockey said. "This is America and you should at least give respect to America."

Shockey's statements didn't make their way back to the Texans' locker room before it closed, and the team had no comment. Shockey's rant came in response to a reporter's question about the Texans' defense.

"This is America and this is just a game and they should not only be very proud of this country, but very gifted to be living here," Shockey said. "Maybe they just forgot to do it or something, but I don't see how you could forget to do that."

Shockey sports a red, white and blue tattoo on his right biceps portraying a bald eagle draped in an American flag. He caught a 9-yard touchdown pass from Cam Newton in Sunday's game, then pointed at linebacker DeMeco Ryans and appeared to yell at him and cornerback Jason Allen.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

There have been times in our country's history where putting your child first is accomplished by putting your country first.

And yes I have, I have missed precious moments with my children to wear a uniform in another country in duty to our United States.

Of your own free will though, no?

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by SNR

I'm talking about freedom, dude. Why the **** should I give a shit about a country that shoves words like "freedom" in my face 24/7, but then restricts so many things I want to do?

Ah, the tricky part of freedoms, see when your perceived freedom infringes on other people's freedoms, then it's not really a freedom is it? For example, you're not free to steal my TV, kill my brother, or throw a rock through my window. If you're talking about doing dope, go live in Amsterdam until the US decriminalizes it in the next few years.

What's the list of "so many things" you are restricted from doing?

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by SNR

I'm talking about freedom, dude. Why the **** should I give a shit about a country that shoves words like "freedom" in my face 24/7, but then restricts so many things I want to do?

come to cali, i got mad weed

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

come to cali, i got mad weed

So that's why you're so stupid.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Micjones

Would you ever put your country BEFORE your child?

I said yes, and tried to explain my reasoning

Originally Posted by Micjones

Of your own free will though, no?

Yes, is there any other way you were implying, I mean what's your point?

Originally Posted by Micjones

Patriotism, in my view, should be grounded by your alignment with the ideas that your country espouses. It should never merely be a product of living in said country.

You're not grounded in principle to the ideas the US espouses?

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
Pledge of Allegiance and National Anthem

• When reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, all present should stand at attention facing the flag with their right hand over their heart, with the exception of those in uniform who shall salute.
• When the national anthem is played or sung:

1. Designation: The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
2. Conduct During Playing: During a rendition of the national anthem:
   1. When the flag is displayed:
      1. All present except those in uniform should stand at attention with their right hand over the heart.^[13]
      2. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
      3. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present and not in uniform may render the military salute.
      4. Individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and
   2. When the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
   3. The musician or musicians performing should sit or stand as they ordinarily would to perform on their instrument or voice.

That shit was definitely snuck in there by the Bush administration.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

That shit was definitely snuck in there by the Bush administration.

yup, it was a conspiracy to get more people in the military. Had to do something, no way a draft was coming back.....

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

Yes, is there any other way you were implying, I mean what's your point?

My point is simply that serving one's country in that way doesn't make you any more patriotic than someone who, say, has chosen to be an educator or a community organizer.

You're not grounded in principle to the ideas the US espouses?

Some of them certainly, but I think to pretend America doesn't have regressive and destructive ideas and practices is to be dishonest. There are certainly a number of American ideas I do not espouse.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Micjones

My point is simply that serving one's country in that way doesn't make you any more patriotic than someone who, say, has chosen to be an educator or a community organizer.



Some of them certainly, but I think to pretend America doesn't have regressive and destructive ideas and practices is to be dishonest. There are certainly a number of American ideas I do not espouse.

for the first point, I agree

for the second point, patriotism does not equal blind faith, or acceptance to all American ideas. Where does standing up and being quiet during the national anthem sync up to your point? Do you espouse the majority of american principles? Do you like living here, do you like the freedoms of political ideals, religious beliefs, coming or going as you see fit. Voting on ideas you agree with? Then stop trolling, stand for the anthem out of respect for all America has been through, good and bad, things you agree with and disagree with. Why can't we have unity in one small act?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You do realize everyone just being able to do what they want would make the world an even bigger ****ed up mess?

Part of democracy is supposed to be allowing what the majority deems acceptable (even though there is some argument that that's not even the case anymore.)

Go to Somalia, I am pretty sure you can do whatever you feel like there. Great place to live.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

for the second point, patriotism does not equal blind faith, or acceptance to all American ideas. Where does standing up and being quiet during the national anthem sync up to your point?

There are people, a large number of them, who believe America represents colonialism and imperialism as much as it represents freedom. If that is even possible, I can understand why someone might abstain.

Do you espouse the majority of american principles?

I certainly believe in ideas like freedom. I just don't know that American history has been a good indicator of America's interest in it. And, again, certainly there are American ideas I clearly do not espouse.

Then stop trolling, stand for the anthem out of respect for all America has been through, good and bad, things you agree with and disagree with. Why can't we have unity in one small act?

Trolling often translates as "holding an opinion that differs from my own". Certainly that's not what you're trying to get across is it?

We can talk about patriotism once we're open to also discussing the uncomfortable truths of America's past. Something America has often proven it has zero interest in.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Micjones

There are people, a large number of them, who believe America represents colonialism and imperialism as much as it represents freedom. If that is even possible, I can understand why someone might abstain.



I certainly believe in ideas like freedom. I just don't know that American history has been a good indicator of America's interests in it. And, again, certainly there are American ideas I despise.



Trolling often translates as "holding an opinion that differs from my own". Certainly that's not what you're trying to get across is it?

We can talk about patriotism once we're open to also discussing the uncomfortable truths of America's past. Something America has often proven it has zero interest in.

I'm tiring of this conversation, trolling = saying shit to elicit a response, a staple of posting styles on CP. I do it too sometimes, even in this thread going all mega patriot, to feed the flames. America was born on the ideas of gaining freedoms from the colonial era's past. Nothing has been perfect, but we've progressed to more and more freedoms.

The point of the conversation for this thread was about standing for the anthem and it relating to patriotism. Well the truth is this;

Ready for it?

Both the Texan players that didn't put their hand on their heart and Shockey speaking out for his beliefs are right, American and not worth fighting about. There is no law saying you have to stand for the anthem, there is no law saying you can't think it's the better idea to stand, there is no law outlawing either opinion.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

I'm tiring of this conversation, trolling = saying shit to elicit a response, a staple of posting styles on CP. I do it too sometimes, even in this thread going all mega patriot, to feed the flames. America was born on the ideas of gaining freedoms from the colonial era's past. Nothing has been perfect, but we've progressed to more and more freedoms.

If that's the true connotative definition of the word...
I've never "trolled" a day in my life in this forum.

Ready for it?

Both the Texan players that didn't put their hand on their heart and Shockey speaking out for his beliefs are right, American and not worth fighting about. There is no law saying you have to stand for the anthem, there is no law saying you can't think it's the better idea to stand, there is no law outlawing either opinion.

We stand in agreement, sir.

[patteeu]

My opinion on this is:

1. I know that I'm supposed to put my hand over my heart so I do, out of respect for the ideals of this country.

2. I don't expect everyone to know the proper protocol, so I don't draw conclusions about the respect for those ideals of people who don't put their hands over their hearts.

3. People who intentionally disrespect the country during the playing of the anthem as a feckless private protest aren't worth worrying about.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

So that's why you're so stupid.

I could beat you at any type of test , on any subject, sober or not.

Come at me TROLL.

I take shits that are smarter than you.